OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): When You're Up, It's Never As Good As It Seems, And When You're Down, You Never Think You'll Be Up Again

[JojoTheWhale]

I just don't think you have a case anymore in regards to Hurts.
He showed that he easily can be the QB on a superbowl winning team tonight. What more does anyone have to prove before they get paid?

Hurts showed that he is good enough and then some. He clearly is the best QB in the NFC right now once Rodgers is gone and that simply will cost us a ton of money.

If we are applying your logic, every team that does not have Mahomes, Burrow or Allen should move on from their current guy once it is time to pay them and go with a cheap rookie instead. That is not going to happen.

Paying Hurts will make winning much harder. But not paying him is not an option. It is as simple as that. This was our best shot to win one with Jalen most likely but now it is time to pay him and see what we can do with him making the big bucks.

That he can do the same thing with 50 million dollars less of players around him. If you don’t think that’s a completely different animal, there’s no discussion to be had.

 

[philly_28]

Yep, likely our best chance to win in the near future.

Fun fact, no QB who lost their first SB appearance ever won one. Hopefully we break that I guess.

John Elway?

 

[achdumeingute]

The only reason he only scored 31 is because he only had 8 possessions IIRC.
31 points in 8 possessions is absurd. Especially considering that it would be 34 if not for the kicker missing a FG he should make.
The Chiefs average 2.76 points per possession which leads the league. So on average they would get 22 points out of 8 possessions against the average NFL team. Tonight they got 31 against our "great" defense that completely shit the bed.

The Eagles could have won it even despite the D having a historically bad game because Hurts and the O were balling tonight but had the D even shown up a little bit, this game shouldn't have been all that close even with the fumble and the ref.

Yea I'm not disagreeing...and I'm sure I have hundreds of posts saying I don't trust this defense.

I cannot say I'm even really upset at them for the game tonight, because they are who I thought they were...

 

[JoemAvs]

7 of those were a Punt Return to the 5 and an absolutely brilliant Goal Line call for a walk-in TD.

Those things tend to happen occassionally and are priced into the average points/drive statistic.
But even if we take these 7 away, we have to add the 3 from a FG that Butker is supposed to hit and they still allowed 5 more points than can be expected from the average team in the SB against a hobbled Mahomes.
Still embarassing for what wants to be a good D.

 

[Halladay]

Yea I'm not disagreeing...and I'm sure I have hundreds of posts saying I don't trust this defense.

I cannot say I'm even really upset at them for the game tonight, because they are who I thought they were...

Im the same way. i texted my day after they tied it saying the Chiefs would go on and kick a game winning field goal. We all knew it was coming.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Those things tend to happen occassionally and are priced into the average points/drive statistic.

That’s not how that works at all. When they do happen, they impact the outcomes of the games they happen in quite a bit. We’re talking about one game, not the season.

 

[JoemAvs]

That he can do the same thing with 50 million dollars less of players around him. If you don’t think that’s a completely different animal, there’s no discussion to be had.

It will be a lot harder without a doubt. But Hurts deserves to get paid after what he has shown this season,
Moving on from him is not even an option unless you are completely insane. The Giants are sticking with Jones and the cards paid Murray for a reason. The alternative is just not a road any team will go down realistically. Especially not after the heroic performance that Jalen just pulled off this season.

We will find out if he can do it over the next few years. Odds are that it will be very tough but the NFC looks weak enough that we might get back to the superbowl atleast once during that time.

 

[achdumeingute]

Im the same way. i texted my day after they tied it saying the Chiefs would go on and kick a game winning field goal. We all knew it was coming.

To be fair, I said the same thing in LII, and BG got the strip, and of course the Hail Mary was incomplete. Used up the mojo I guess. At least I got one SB in my lifetime.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It will be a lot harder without a doubt. But Hurts deserves to get paid after what he has shown this season,
Moving on from him is not even an option unless you are completely insane. The Giants are sticking with Jones and the cards paid Murray for a reason. The alternative is just not a road any team will go down realistically. Especially not after the heroic performance that Jalen just pulled off this season.

We will find out if he can do it over the next few years. Odds are that it will be very tough but the NFC looks weak enough that we might get back to the superbowl atleast once during that time.

Daniel Jones and Kyler Murray are the defenses and I’m the crazy one. Probably a sign something is wrong.

I’m not arguing whether they will. Quite frankly, I don’t care. It doesn’t interest me. I’m just speaking to whether they should.

 

[Halladay]

To be fair, I said the same thing in LII, and BG got the strip, and of course the Hail Mary was incomplete. Used up the mojo I guess. At least I got one SB in my lifetime.

I was completely the opposite up 5. I knew they would hold them out. This game it being tied, they had no shot to me.

 

[DancingPanther]

A cat just stood on my back

 

[BringBackFletcher]

Those things tend to happen occassionally and are priced into the average points/drive statistic.
But even if we take these 7 away, we have to add the 3 from a FG that Butker is supposed to hit and they still allowed 5 more points than can be expected from the average team in the SB against a hobbled Mahomes.
Still embarassing for what wants to be a good D.

Embarrassing is an over exaggeration. Disappointing they couldn't do more, but not too far off of expected outcome. It happens.

We lost by 3 to some all time greats. Hardly anything to be disgusted about

 

[JoemAvs]

That’s not how that works at all. When they do happen, they impact the outcomes of the games they happen in quite a bit. We’re talking about one game, not the season.

Yeah but the Chiefs will have had short fields off of turnovers over those 20 games they played as well which will have had an impact on their points/drive number as well. That stat is not limited to them starting on the 25 either.

Without a doubt that short field mattered. But there is just no denying that the D had a godawful showing and underperformed hard if you look at almost every metric.

The Chiefs are really, really good. They are not as good as Gannon and our D made them look in the second half. That was embarassing.

Embarrassing is an over exaggeration. Disappointing they couldn't do more, but not too far off of expected outcome. It happens.

We lost by 3 to some all time greats. Hardly anything to be disgusted about

I think the D had an embarassing performance. I am very happy with how the offense performed.

 

[WIP CALLER]

Shocker that the guy that hated the Hurts pick from day one and thought he had no future as a starter advocates for possibly not paying him

 

[Svechhammer]

I wouldn't be shocked if Hurts goes full f*** You mode after tonight and signs long term at a lower AAV to maximize the talent around him. He will still make a shitload of money from advertising so he might settle for less just to maximize his chances to f*** the league who actively screwed him tonight.

He's the best QB in the NFC. He just needs his supporting cast and there is nobody who will stop him. And shot at this point the real money comes in broadcasting after you retire, so why not maximize your chances to win and keep growing that marketing profile.

 

[Rebels57]

Hurts was the Eagles best player tonight. By a lot.

I still cannot f***ing believe two things.

Gannon not upping the pressure on Mahomes.

&

THAT f***ING CALL

 

[BringBackFletcher]

Yeah but the Chiefs will have had short fields off of turnovers over those 20 games they played as well which will have had an impact on their points/drive number as well. That stat is not limited to them starting on the 25 either.

Without a doubt that short field mattered. But there is just no denying that the D had a godawful showing and underperformed hard if you look at almost every metric.

The Chiefs are really, really good. They are not as good as Gannon and our D made them look in the second half. That was embarassing.


I think the D had an embarassing performance. I am very happy with how the offense performed.

The offense scored 28 factoring out the fumble TD. That's good, not amazing

Goes both ways

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Jack Straw]

John Elway?

Len Dawson.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Yeah but the Chiefs will have had short fields off of turnovers over those 20 games they played as well which will have had an impact on their points/drive number as well. That stat is not limited to them starting on the 25 either.

They didn't have them in every game. That's the whole point. You're taking rare occurrences and applying them broadly instead of specifically, thus completely losing the effect they have on the outcomes of games.

In effect, you're telling me it didn't matter in the short term because it washes out in the long. It makes no sense.

 

[BigToe]

A cat just stood on my back

great post bb

 

[achdumeingute]

Yeah but the Chiefs will have had short fields off of turnovers over those 20 games they played as well which will have had an impact on their points/drive number as well. That stat is not limited to them starting on the 25 either.

Without a doubt that short field mattered. But there is just no denying that the D had a godawful showing and underperformed hard if you look at almost every metric.

The Chiefs are really, really good. They are not as good as Gannon and our D made them look in the second half. That was embarassing.


I think the D had an embarassing performance. I am very happy with how the offense performed.

I mean they are that good, our LBs blow in coverage. Have all year. We played a team that has the playcaller/personnel to exploit it. They had I think ZERO "in the air" receptions over 20 yards.

The Chiefs ran the ball better than I thought they would as well.

 

[Striiker]

@JojoTheWhale if I go back a few thousand posts will I see people on this board saying we “have to” pay Wentz?

 

[Halladay]

On that 3rd and 3, who else wanted to sneak it twice there? Oye.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

@JojoTheWhale if I go back a few thousand posts will I see people on this board saying we “have to” pay Wentz?

Oh holy hell will you.