OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): When You're Up, It's Never As Good As It Seems, And When You're Down, You Never Think You'll Be Up Again

[Halladay]

Other than Jalen they couldnt really run the ball. But on 3rd and 2, run it. You should be able to get 2 yards on 2 downs.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I like that draft and in terms of Jalen, again look at the NFc quarterbacks. They can potentially be in this spot again the next few years.

I’m just not willing to commit the Kyler contract to that likelihood. Like I said, Lamar him. Winning with a QB on a 2nd contract is MUCH harder.

 

[DancingPanther]

This stinks.

 

[achdumeingute]

Sewell probably should be an OL, but I’m not there yet. Only allowed myself one trade. @Chinatown88



Sold on paying him or that he can be a good starter? Very different questions.

I'm kind of with you on this. Paying him top QB money creates roster problems.

Other people have said how much Raegor brought Hurts down...get ready for that when we can't pay Devonta and have to play some scrub. Hill left, and Mahomes elevated other players (MVS, makes Toney look good). Hopefully Jalen does the same.

It's kind of like what our offense did to defenses this year...no win situations.

 

[Svechhammer]

Perfectly said. It’s not like Kansas City’s defense deserved to win. We torched their ass all game long. At the very least they probably tie the game maybe even win with the time left and how jalen had played that game and if they didn’t, I think everyone would accept the loss. We were robbed of that chance.

As I said earlier, we have no idea how that would have played out. Very well could have been like LII and they get a strip sack to effectively seal it.

But

We will never know because we were robbed of the chance. Mahomes is the chosen one and the league made sure of it. And they did so by robbing Hurts of any ability to show his might.

 

[JoemAvs]

If the takeaway from tonight is that you have to score 40+ anyways because you can't beat the likes of Mahomes (or Allen or Burrow for that matter) otherwise, it makes sense to invest heavily in the O-Line instead of adressing the holes that will appear in our D this offseason.

I disagree with the D not being to blame for tonight heavily but if Gannon sticks around, we might as well just go with loading up the O as much as we can.

That means I want one of the top tackles at #10 (probably Paris Johnson (he can play guard for a year or two, right?) ) I think.

The goal is a superbowl and if your D is not expected to stop Mahomes (or Brady 5 years earlier before BG came through to be fair) in the big game,why wouldn't you just try to build an offensive juggernaut around Hurts?

 

[achdumeingute]

This stinks.

Yep, likely our best chance to win in the near future.

Fun fact, no QB who lost their first SB appearance ever won one. Hopefully we break that I guess.

 

[Svechhammer]

One other thing, Miles Sanders was trash tonight. Goodness he was awful. He will get a high dollar contract somewhere and that team will immediately regret it.

 

[Striiker]

 

[Rebels57]

If you weren't sure the NFL was fixed before..

 

[Svechhammer]

If the takeaway from tonight is that you have to score 40+ anyways because you can't beat the likes of Mahomes (or Allen or Burrow for that matter) otherwise, it makes sense to invest heavily in the O-Line instead of adressing the holes that will appear in our D this offseason.

I disagree with the D not being to blame for tonight heavily but if Gannon sticks around, we might as well just go with loading up the O as much as we can.

That means I want one of the top tackles at #10 (probably Paris Johnson (he can play guard for a year or two, right?) ) I think.

The goal is a superbowl and if your D is not expected to stop Mahomes (or Brady 5 years earlier before BG came through to be fair) in the big game,why wouldn't you just try to build an offensive juggernaut around Hurts?

We had an offensive juggernaut tonight. That team couldn't stop us, and if Hurts gets his legit shot at the end, I am pretty sure we at least go to OT of not win at the end.

Our defense was straight up garbage. Zero QB pressure, completely lost in the secondary and poor tackling. Breakdowns in fundamental football at it's most basic abilities in the 4th quarter. You have to blame them. And you have to heap a ton of blame on it. They were trash and they lost us the game.

 

[achdumeingute]

If the takeaway from tonight is that you have to score 40+ anyways because you can't beat the likes of Mahomes (or Allen or Burrow for that matter) otherwise, it makes sense to invest heavily in the O-Line instead of adressing the holes that will appear in our D this offseason.

I disagree with the D not being to blame for tonight heavily but if Gannon sticks around, we might as well just go with loading up the O as much as we can.

That means I want one of the top tackles at #10 (probably Paris Johnson (he can play guard for a year or two, right?) ) I think.

The goal is a superbowl and if your D is not expected to stop Mahomes (or Brady 5 years earlier before BG came through to be fair) in the big game,why wouldn't you just try to build an offensive juggernaut around Hurts?

I mean, PM only scored 31. The Fumble TD was killer.

I disagreed not taking one shot to the end zone at half instead of auto field goal with 9 left and no timeouts.

Missed opportunities, but our offense definitely did enough...if the defense had done their part a little more.

 

[Chinatown88]

I’m just not willing to commit the Kyler contract to that likelihood. Like I said, Lamar him. Winning with a QB on a 2nd contract is MUCH harder.

So with all the PFF I've been listening/watching cause it's what I turn on when I do cardio, the idea of flipping an asset for a better return on investment intrigues me and it always sounds like a great process. However, is it different with a QB on a rookie contract? I think you probably know which way I lean with Hurts but it's really a tricky puzzle to think through.

 

[Halladay]

I’m just not willing to commit the Kyler contract to that likelihood. Like I said, Lamar him. Winning with a QB on a 2nd contract is MUCH harder.

So quarterback factory ? i do tend to agree but they are paying him, you and I know that.

 

[achdumeingute]

So quarterback factory ? i do tend to agree but they are paying him, you and I know that.

It's just hard not to, because he's an outstanding "face of the franchise".

 

[BringBackFletcher]

I'm not as high on hurts as some other eagles fans but I just don't know what else you can reasonably do but pay him

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I get what people are saying, but I don’t see how you look at the recent history of the league and think anything other than paying the guy who’s “good enough” is wrong. Did KC do that? Did the Rams do that? How did it work out for the Eagles? Yes, it’s harder and more risky because your downside is huge. I’d be the first to admit it’s much easier to say it than do it. But that’s the path to the treadmill.

 

[achdumeingute]

So quarterback factory ? i do tend to agree but they are paying him, you and I know that.

The QB factory was under Doug...maybe it's closed now due to budget cuts.

 

[JoemAvs]

I mean, PM only scored 31. The Fumble TD was killer.

I disagreed not taking one shot to the end zone at half instead of auto field goal with 9 left and no timeouts.

Missed opportunities, but our offense definitely did enough...if the defense had done their part a little more.

The only reason he only scored 31 is because he only had 8 possessions IIRC.
31 points in 8 possessions is absurd. Especially considering that it would be 34 if not for the kicker missing a FG he should make.
The Chiefs average 2.76 points per possession which leads the league. So on average they would get 22 points out of 8 possessions against the average NFL team. Tonight they got 31 against our "great" defense that completely shit the bed.

The Eagles could have won it even despite the D having a historically bad game because Hurts and the O were balling tonight but had the D even shown up a little bit, this game shouldn't have been all that close even with the fumble and the ref.

 

[achdumeingute]

I get what people are saying, but I don’t see how you look at the recent history of the league and think anything other than paying the guy who’s “good enough” is wrong. Did KC do that? Did the Rams do that? How did it work out for the Eagles?

Welp...IMO...I don't think Stafford is the reason the Rams won vs Goff... It worked out for them, yes.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The only reason he only scored 31 is because he only had 8 possessions IIRC.
31 points in 8 possessions is absurd. Especially considering that it would be 34 if not for the kicker missing a FG he should make.
The Chiefs average 2.76 points per possession which leads the league. So on average they would get 22 points out of 8 possessions against the average NFL team. Tonight they got 31 against our "great" defense that completely shit the bed.

The Eagles could have won it even despite the D having a historically bad game because Hurts and the O were balling tonight but had the D even shown up a little bit, this game shouldn't have been all that close even with the fumble and the ref.

7 of those were a Punt Return to the 5 and an absolutely brilliant Goal Line call for a walk-in TD.

 

[Halladay]

I get what people are saying, but I don’t see how you look at the recent history of the league and think anything other than paying the guy who’s “good enough” is wrong. Did KC do that? Did the Rams do that? How did it work out for the Eagles? Yes, it’s harder and more risky because your downside is huge. I’d be the first to admit it’s much easier to say it than do it. But that’s the path to the treadmill.

The Rams did pay Goff. I get what you are mean, but I just dont see anyway he isnt signed.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Welp...IMO...I don't think Stafford is the reason the Rams won vs Goff... It worked out for them, yes.

I’m not even a huge Stafford fan and I think he had an unbelievable team around him. But he was lights out for an entire year and Goff was dead in the water there.

 

[DancingPanther]

Gannon go the gallows

 

[JoemAvs]

I get what people are saying, but I don’t see how you look at the recent history of the league and think anything other than paying the guy who’s “good enough” is wrong. Did KC do that? Did the Rams do that? How did it work out for the Eagles? Yes, it’s harder and more risky because your downside is huge. I’d be the first to admit it’s much easier to say it than do it. But that’s the path to the treadmill.

I just don't think you have a case anymore in regards to Hurts.
He showed that he easily can be the QB on a superbowl winning team tonight. What more does anyone have to prove before they get paid?

Hurts showed that he is good enough and then some. He clearly is the best QB in the NFC right now once Rodgers is gone and that simply will cost us a ton of money.

If we are applying your logic, every team that does not have Mahomes, Burrow or Allen should move on from their current guy once it is time to pay them and go with a cheap rookie instead. That is not going to happen.

Paying Hurts will make winning much harder. But not paying him is not an option. It is as simple as that. This was our best shot to win one with Jalen most likely but now it is time to pay him and see what we can do with him making the big bucks.