Other Sports: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): Vegas, Baby! (2023 Regular Season)

[deadhead]

I don't think people as a whole are very good at sussing out what parts of the whole are on QB play versus coaches in real time. It's too much to process and you're watching from a terrible camera angle.

When j go back and watch these games again and focus on him, the theme to me is that he's giving you exactly what the scheme does. So yes, sometimes the yardage is going to look good. Sometimes it won't because teams try to make him hand the ball off.

His average depth of target is shooting up this year. That's inarguably more difficult. But it's largely because the passing offense is feast or famine. I will always push back against the idea that he doesn't have the arm for deep balls. I think he throws a great 9 ball for example. He just has a tendency to get to them late and so it looks worse than the actual throw. I want him taking these 50-50 balls deep to AJB and DeVonta. The problem is that right now it's the only thing they have in the passing game that's not scheme. And it's not like they're asking him to find Backside Digs. These are largely simple reads.

It's a brutal, brutal watch. I do think Brian Johnson is showing signs of coming around. That's important.

I think they never really developed a conventional pass offense until now, pretty much ignored the RB, Watkins isn't really a slot WR, etc. The check down was a guy standing there (which meant both no RAC and a defender could jump the pass). I want Hurts to take the deep shots, but also learn that there is nothing wrong with dink and dunk if it moves the chains, and with a running game, wears down a DL (making it easier to pass in the second half).

I think AR got more out of less talent than just about any HC I've seen on offense in Philly.
Then he took those schemes and got real talent to run them in KC.

I'm all for Johnson spending the first half of the season trying to build a real offense and trying to keep Hurts alive for the long haul - just ask yourself, how would Buddy Ryan defend the RO/RPO? Same way he defended the "chuck and duck" - keep hitting the QB until he says "no mas." And I think some DCs are doing the same.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

@Beef Invictus Please tell me that you saw Rivera's reasoning for not going for 2 at 0:00.

For those that didn't, he said that the team was tired.

THEY WERE TIRED SO LET'S MAKE THEM PLAY OVERTIME ISHEKAHDJWKQK

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

@Beef Invictus Please tell me that you saw Rivera's reasoning for not going for 2 at 0:00.

For those that didn't, he said that the team was tired.

THEY WERE TIRED SO LET'S MAKE THEM PLAY OVERTIME ISHEKAHDJWKQK

That's why they call him Riverboat.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

That's why they call him Riverboat.

This is one of those super weird things to me. Panthers fans called him that ironically. And then the mainstream media picked up on it and took it seriously. How the hell did we get here?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

This is one of those super weird things to me. Panthers fans called him that ironically. And then the mainstream media picked up on it and took it seriously. How the hell did we get here?

I have wondered about it as long as it has been a thing. It's a name that just never made any sense and yet people ran with it.

I didn't know it started with them calling him ironically. I thought I was just taking crazy pills every time I watched a team coached by him.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I have wondered about it as long as it has been a thing. It's a name that just never made any sense and yet people ran with it.

I didn't know it started with them calling him ironically. I thought I was just taking crazy pills every time I watched a team coached by him.

He had prime Cam Newton and would punt on 4th & Inches from the opposing 42. They were making fun of him.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

He had prime Cam Newton and would punt on 4th & Inches from the opposing 42. They were making fun of him.

That's what I saw every time I saw him but then you got the damn media acting as if he is a wild man.

I didn't know what was real.

I guess this is what it feels like to be a Flyers fan watching NBCSP broadcasts.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I'm all for Johnson spending the first half of the season trying to build a real offense and trying to keep Hurts alive for the long haul - just ask yourself, how would Buddy Ryan defend the RO/RPO? Same way he defended the "chuck and duck" - keep hitting the QB until he says "no mas." And I think some DCs are doing the same.

Buddy Ryan is the football person most responsible for me falling in love with the game. I could talk about what he did and why all day long and thoroughly enjoy it.

But that simply doesn't work anymore. It’s been systematically removed from the game because the league does not function without QBs. And more to the point, the top end QBs are now too good at beating blitzes to rely on that much pressure anymore. The one guy that remotely calls a game like that is Wink Martindale. And we've seen the limitations. I love watching it. I don't want to rely on it to beat Mahomes in a playoff game.

 

[swami24]

I truly don't understand these well-educated old-heads when they say "it just doesn't seem like a FOOTBALL play to me"

I'm talking really amazing guys like Peter King and DIck Vermeil. Guys who aren't dunces.

I cannot understand how dudes just pushing each other head-on isn't a football play.

It is precisely what football started as, before they had forward passing.

Quick search, found video of a game from 1903. The second play looks just like the Tush Push.

 

[JXC]

Hurts looks pedestrian for four reasons

1 Todd Bowles showed how to confound Hurts with amorphous coverages in January 2022

2 Steve Spagnuolo showed how to confound the Eagles’ RPO in the Super Bowl

3 the Eagles refuse to counter those tactics by committing to a ground game

4 no coaching staff worth a tin shit is going expose QB1 to hits when QB2 is Marcus Mariotta

that this shit isn't Madden.

perfect!

 

[Beef Invictus]

@Beef Invictus Please tell me that you saw Rivera's reasoning for not going for 2 at 0:00.

For those that didn't, he said that the team was tired.

THEY WERE TIRED SO LET'S MAKE THEM PLAY OVERTIME ISHEKAHDJWKQK

Reading this makes me regret becoming literate

 

[Beef Invictus]

I truly don't understand these well-educated old-heads when they say "it just doesn't seem like a FOOTBALL play to me"

I'm talking really amazing guys like Peter King and DIck Vermeil. Guys who aren't dunces.

I cannot understand how dudes just pushing each other head-on isn't a football play.

It is possibly the most "football" play conceivable

 

[TB87]

the Eagles refuse to counter those tactics by committing to a ground game

They’ve arguably over-committed to the ground game. They have the most rushing attempts and the most yards this season. Not sure what they’re rushing DVOA is as a team but I’d be surprised if it isn’t close to league-best.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I truly don't understand these well-educated old-heads when they say "it just doesn't seem like a FOOTBALL play to me"

I'm talking really amazing guys like Peter King and DIck Vermeil. Guys who aren't dunces.

I cannot understand how dudes just pushing each other head-on isn't a football play.

ESP and Peter King. I'm worried about you. Are you ok?

 

[DancingPanther]

Hurts looks pedestrian for four reasons

1 Todd Bowles showed how to confound Hurts with amorphous coverages in January 2022

2 Steve Spagnuolo showed how to confound the Eagles’ RPO in the Super Bowl

3 the Eagles refuse to counter those tactics by committing to a ground game

4 no coaching staff worth a tin shit is going expose QB1 to hits when QB2 is Marcus Mariotta



perfect!

Simply "commiting to the ground game" isn't the fix. This shit isn't Madden. It's not that easy. Besides, Swift is putting up some of the best RB numbers in the league. Everyone knows he's a threat. Effective short passes function as runs anyway, and they call plenty bubbles/LOS passes as is.

As far as your fourth point, any QB is going to protect themselves, ESPECIALLY QB1s. It's part of the anointment and part of the role. The problem is he's not finishing his runs. That doesn't mean I want him to truck people, because I don't. But what's happening now is he's either 1. bailing towards the sidelines and throwing the ball away or 2. quitting on his run but just....crumpling. It's not only unusual for him, but it doesn't play to his strengths. If someone is telling him to do this or to "be more of a pocket passer" or whatever, then we have a real problem in the coaching suite

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I loathe how RPO and Read Option are now tossed out as buzzwords. They mean something specific. They're not terms you use to explain things you don't like.

While we're at it, a better coaching staff last year had Hurts running into contact with a worse backup.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Hurts looks pedestrian for four reasons

1 Todd Bowles showed how to confound Hurts with amorphous coverages in January 2022

2 Steve Spagnuolo showed how to confound the Eagles’ RPO in the Super Bowl

3 the Eagles refuse to counter those tactics by committing to a ground game

4 no coaching staff worth a tin shit is going expose QB1 to hits when QB2 is Marcus Mariotta



perfect!

Now I just think you're doing it on purpose.

 

[DancingPanther]

I loathe how RPO and Read Option are now tossed out as buzzwords. They mean something specific. They're not terms you use to explain things you don't like.

While we're at it, a better coaching staff last year had Hurts running into contact with a worse backup.

Do NOT slander the stache

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I loathe how RPO and Read Option are now tossed out as buzzwords. They mean something specific. They're not terms you use to explain things you don't like.

While we're at it, a better coaching staff last year had Hurts running into contact with a worse backup.

 

[Chinatown88]

I loathe how RPO and Read Option are now tossed out as buzzwords. They mean something specific. They're not terms you use to explain things you don't like.

While we're at it, a better coaching staff last year had Hurts running into contact with a worse backup.

No Marcus slander allowed.

 

[Kermit the Prog]

No Marcus slander allowed.

#ChipWasShort

 

[ajgoal]

No Marcus slander allowed.

It's not slander.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

Since I refuse to watch another down of Panthers football this year, can I jump on your bandwagon?

 

[DancingPanther]

Since I refuse to watch another down of Panthers football this year, can I jump on your bandwagon?

One wheel is loose and another is flat but sure come on by

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]