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JojoTheWhale said:
If he breaks the record in 16 Games, I would put it well under 5%. They have one of the best OLs in football and the offense is just fine. Not even good. Hell, he’s not even clearly the best Running Back in football this year. He’s a perfectly justifiable choice, but Henry is right there with him such that any order is reasonable.

He’s having a fantastic season. He’ll probably win OPOY and that’s a hell of an accomplishment for a RB in 2024. The top QBs are just worth so much more that you can’t even have the conversation. It’s a flaw with the award system. Penei Sewell might be the best football player on the planet and he has zero chance of winning anything other than an All Pro spot.
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Jordan Mailata is PFFs highest graded offensive lineman in the NFL. Do we still put decent stock in that or has it fallen out of favor
 
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DancingPanther said:
Jordan Mailata is PFFs highest graded offensive lineman in the NFL. Do we still put decent stock in that or has it fallen out of favor
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Perfectly good All Pro choice. I was thinking that the Eagles might have both Tackles on the All Pro team. That's an accomplishment.

PFF grades have strengths and weaknesses. I most use them for consistency, but we have to keep two things in mind. First, they don't give enough credit for flash plays. For example, they did not like Jalen Carter's game against Baltimore much at all. You probably read a bunch of stories about how he wrecked the game. Both were reasonably true. They were measuring different things.

And the big one for me personally is that they don't account as much for role difficulty as I believe is appropriate. In Mailata's case, this would make his grade more impressive because we know the Eagles almost never help their Tackles in Pass Pro. The flipside is that Hurts has typically graded well with PFF because he does what he's asked to well. But he's schematically limiting.

2 years before the Eagles signed him, Anthony Harris was the top graded Safety in football. I wanted him cheaply because he was just a super solid player. But he was mostly a Zone guy who just got to sit back in 2 High Shells. His technical grade didn't tell you that he was a more consistent Rodney McLeod. If that's all you asked of Derwin James at the time, he would have been up there too.
 
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DancingPanther said:
Jalen, everybody would get more touches if you just trusted the pocket more and threw within your window
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This unfortunately is something he has needed to fix since college that he just never seems to show improvement for more then a game or two. At this point this is something you have to live with Jalen as the QB.
 
deadhead said:
Allen kind of gives me Favre vibes.
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Not quite the risk taking gunslinger that Favre was, but has pretty much everything else. The guy is absolutely elite.

I'll also say this, watching the Panthers the last few weeks because I'm force fed them down here in NC, Bryce Young is going to be a seriously good NFL QB. The Panthers already have a good if not great OL, the second they get some better players at WR and TE that offense has all the potential to operate on the level of Baltimore or Kansas City. That team is going to be a serious problem in the NFC in a couple years.

iceman42 said:
This unfortunately is something he has needed to fix since college that he just never seems to show improvement for more then a game or two. At this point this is something you have to live with Jalen as the QB.
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Its like he's swung from taking all the risks and getting heat for too many INTs to not taking any risks and getting heat for too many sacks and an ineffective passing game.

Like, cmon man

 
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deadhead said:
Also in love with his arm and takes unnecessary chances.
Both co-existed in the same player.
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You could not hand me a better example of what I mean between the disconnect of tv angles and narratives versus tape than this. Allen is extremely aggressive, but by and large, he cashes the checks his brain writes. So did Favre early in his career. It became a problem later and that's what people tend to remember. Maybe it will for Allen one day too. None of us know. Until then, it's just something people say.

One of the things I think PFF does really well is counting stats (or their rated out counterparts) like Turnover Worthy Plays. He's consistently around league average (just over 3%) in those despite trying to do more than almost anyone. Yes, he'll throw 4 Picks in a nationally televised game sometimes. Those don't count extra.
 
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DancingPanther said:
f***ing yikes
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If anyone listens to me about anything related to football, please let it be this: Anyone posting screenshots of open or covered receivers as proof as anything is feeding you bullshit.

Plays are alive. You have to follow your progressions on time. If your 3rd option wins off the LoS and then gets caught 8 yards into his route, that might as well not exist. Part of playing WR at this level is knowing what the windows are and how to time your separation. This is something that Michael Irvin harps on all the time and I assure you I am no fan.

3rd Down with ~3:00 left in Q2. There's a late rotation into a blitz with Man and they have a play on with 2 x Slants to AJB's side. Hurts looks there first. That's the read. This is what we need to judge him on, not whether someone is running up the opposite seam with a flag up. He holds the ball, pulls it, and ends up throwing it away. You have AJB and someone else (I'd have to go back and check who) on Slants vs Man. You know they're coming. You have been given the correct call to beat it. That ball HAS to come out.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
If anyone listens to me about anything related to football, please let it be this: Anyone posting screenshots of open or covered receivers as proof as anything is feeding you bullshit.

Plays are alive. You have to follow your progressions on time. If your 3rd option wins off the LoS and then gets caught 8 yards into his route, that might as well not exist. Part of playing WR at this level is knowing what the windows are and how to time your separation. This is something that Michael Irvin harps on all the time and I assure you I am no fan.

3rd Down with ~3:00 left in Q2. There's a late rotation into a blitz with Man and they have a play on with 2 x Slants to AJB's side. Hurts looks there first. That's the read. This is what we need to judge him on, not whether someone is running up the opposite seam with a flag up. He holds the ball, pulls it, and ends up throwing it away. You have AJB and someone else (I'd have to go back and check who) on Slants vs Man. You know they're coming. You have been given the correct call to beat it. That ball HAS to come out.
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1st and 2nd reads are wide open for a first down gain. I agree that most of the time screen captures are not an ideal way to judge. However, in this case, you have arguably your first 3 reads all open, the defense is blitzing, but at the moment everyone is contained, and you have every receiver 1 on 1 with a DB.

If the ball comes out right there when this image is taken, if it goes to AJB, he breaks a tackle and at least picks up the first down. If it goes to Smith, he most likely splits the defense and breaks a huge gain if not TD.

The only thing he shouldn't do at that moment, especially since the pocket was set, was pull it and scramble. And that's exactly what he did, and pulled defensemen off their blockers and led to a throwaway to burn the play.
 
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1st and 2nd reads are wide open for a first down gain. I agree that most of the time screen captures are not an ideal way to judge. However, in this case, you have arguably your first 3 reads all open, the defense is blitzing, but at the moment everyone is contained, and you have every receiver 1 on 1 with a DB.

If the ball comes out right there when this image is taken, if it goes to AJB, he breaks a tackle and at least picks up the first down. If it goes to Smith, he most likely splits the defense and breaks a huge gain if not TD.

The only thing he shouldn't do at that moment, especially since the pocket was set, was pull it and scramble. And that's exactly what he did, and pulled defensemen off their blockers and led to a throwaway to burn the play.
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I mistakenly called it 3rd Down, so I want to be clear here. You know we're talking about the same play, right?

Calcaterra doesn't matter at all to me and neither does his decision to ultimately bail from a pocket he should have stayed in, although I could not possibly agree more that this is his biggest weakness. If you watch the play from the beginning, his first read is to the near side. In this case, that's where he's looking in the SS but we have no way of knowing if we don't check.

If he turns those down, that's the problem. Like you said, he knows they're coming. He knows he has Man and for the love of God, it's DeVonta next to AJB. If he doesn't know the ball has to come out before pressure ever matters and it's going to either of those two Slants, he's the golden retriever in the lab coat meme. I don't care what happens on the backside. I don't care who wins their Pass Block rep. I don't care when he bails. I don't even care if he misses the throw. That ball comes out to the near side with no delay. That's his only job on the play. This is one of those excellent examples of why we know Sacks are sticky to QBs no matter how their line plays. 4 Sacks on 9 Pressures against the Panthers. That should be impossible.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
If you dropped 2024 Josh Allen onto this team, their average margin of victory would be so big that even I would be rooting for Kenny Pickett to break the record for most appearances without starting in a season.
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They’d be undefeated and their point differential would be over +200 at this point of the season lol. Unstoppable offense.

They “should” be unstoppable right now TBH, but…they have Jalen who looks like he’s thinking too much out there.
 
JojoTheWhale said:
If anyone listens to me about anything related to football, please let it be this: Anyone posting screenshots of open or covered receivers as proof as anything is feeding you bullshit.

Plays are alive. You have to follow your progressions on time. If your 3rd option wins off the LoS and then gets caught 8 yards into his route, that might as well not exist. Part of playing WR at this level is knowing what the windows are and how to time your separation. This is something that Michael Irvin harps on all the time and I assure you I am no fan.

3rd Down with ~3:00 left in Q2. There's a late rotation into a blitz with Man and they have a play on with 2 x Slants to AJB's side. Hurts looks there first. That's the read. This is what we need to judge him on, not whether someone is running up the opposite seam with a flag up. He holds the ball, pulls it, and ends up throwing it away. You have AJB and someone else (I'd have to go back and check who) on Slants vs Man. You know they're coming. You have been given the correct call to beat it. That ball HAS to come out.
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You know I'm trying to get better at all this so when I say I get what you're saying and I acknowledge the point you're making at the screenshot bit, you know I'm trying to internalize it

But you also said what I was already going to say. In this case, the ball should already be out. This is the top of a 5 step drop it looks like. 1-2-3-4-5-bang. The pocket is immaculate. Kenny Pickett makes this read. It's not hard to identify man on the outside when a blitz is coming. This is high school stuff. Get the f***ing ball out to the best slant receiver in the world. He's too big and fast. Get the ball to your dude for the easy 6.

The fact that he's still holding the ball in the screen cap is the entire issue
 
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