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[deadhead]

I think Hurts holding the ball is by design, they run a lot of deep routes, the offense seems to be pound the ball and take a shot downfield.

He's also been coached not to turn the ball over, when in doubt scramble or eat it.

Which makes sense when you have a power running game, a top defense and you have the lead.

But that means he's often holding the ball, waiting for a receiver to come open on deep routes, and doesn't generally force it into double coverage.

 

[Svechhammer]

I do think it's important to factor in for Hurts last night that the interior of the line whiffed more than usual last night...like yeah, Hurts as a standard doesn't dump the ball fast enough, but the line was getting beat at times. Would've been tough to avoid some of that no matter how fast you got rid of the ball.

Like on the safety, Jurgens just whiffed on his man - and then Landon couldn't stop it either. Now I question other factors in that disaster too, but safety doesn't happen if those guys do what they're supposed to.

This is very true. The line didn't play a great game. Which, when was the last time that was said for us? Can't expect that to happen again.

it just feels too simplistic to leave the game upset at only Jalen and Kellen for the offense having issues. Some big drops from AJ and even Smitty didn't help, that's for sure!

Absolutely. How much different is this game if AJ makes some of those catches. And off the top of my head I can think of at least 2 bad drops, one for a first down that would have extended the drive I think during our 2nd series of the game that would have put the ball at midfield. I imagine this game feels a lot different if we get points on that drive to score in each of our first 3 possessions instead of treading water like we did after having to punt it away. The second was the deep TD pass that he gets 95% of the time. Completely different game if he secures that catch.

But AJB is the kind of player who will rebound after a game like that. Wouldn't be shocked to see him go for 150 yds and 2 TDs against Washington when you know they're going to be geared up to stop the run.

 

[Cody Webster]

On Get Up Dan Orlovsky showed 4 easy throws Hurts didn't make because he simply didn't pull the trigger at all. Each of them ended in a sack or a short scramble. Overall, I think his game is fine. He just needs to make those throws or at the very least throw it away as his inability to make those decisions is causing the offense to be stagnate. We've been talking about this being an issue all year. He is waiting until people are done their route and are facing him with their hands up before letting the ball go, but at that point the rush is in his face.

I suggest putting a VR headset and an electric dog collar on Hurts for the next week. Just play Madden like routes in the headset and if Hurts doesn't throw the ball within 3 seconds he gets shocked.

So, you want Hurts to do what the player many thought Hurts was going to be is already doing?

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[BrindamoursNose]

Obviously there's much nuance here, but I think a post like this at least *helps* maybe re-center some folks that despise Jalen & think McKee should be the real starter:

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I do think it's important to factor in for Hurts last night that the interior of the line whiffed more than usual last night...like yeah, Hurts as a standard doesn't dump the ball fast enough, but the line was getting beat at times. Would've been tough to avoid some of that no matter how fast you got rid of the ball.

Like on the safety, Jurgens just whiffed on his man - and then Landon couldn't stop it either. Now I question other factors in that disaster too, but safety doesn't happen if those guys do what they're supposed to.

It just feels too simplistic to leave the game upset at only Jalen and Kellen for the offense having issues. Some big drops from AJ and even Smitty didn't help, that's for sure!

Of course. There are always problems to share. Like I always say, you know who doesn’t know shit by who posts still images as analysis. They’re in this thread every week.

Sports fans in general are terrible at evaluating the guys and/or skills that are solid but unspectacular. While I’ve tried to avoid getting actively involved for years at this point, it’s been fascinating to see how the Hurts narrative has developed. I’m going to use his arm strength to illustrate what I mean. Remember the ridiculous talking point about him not having the arm to throw deep? I’m not sure if you remember, but even as I was arguing he’s not the star we all hoped he was, I was also explaining that his arm strength is fine for the NFL. It’s that he gets to the throws too late and the window closes when he tries to take those to the middle of the field. That’s why it looks fine when he goes to the sideline. But the full story is that the high end NFL arms can be late and get it in there. So is it the chicken or the egg? His arm strength is fine. Not great. Not terrible. Accuracy is also fine. His processing speed is the same. To me, it’s a lesson in how hard a QB is capped by not having some type of elite passing skill.

I think Hurts holding the ball is by design, they run a lot of deep routes, the offense seems to be pound the ball and take a shot downfield.

He's also been coached not to turn the ball over, when in doubt scramble or eat it.

Which makes sense when you have a power running game, a top defense and you have the lead.

But that means he's often holding the ball, waiting for a receiver to come open on deep routes, and doesn't generally force it into double coverage.

That might be a coaching point, but he’s held the ball too long since Alabama. That’s in his DNA. Every player has weaknesses. If his strengths outweigh that, you live with it.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Of course. There are always problems to share. Like I always say, you know who doesn’t know shit by who posts still images as analysis. They’re in this thread every week.

"Look at how many receivers are wide open!!!!!!!!!"

Sports fans in general are terrible at evaluating the guys and/or skills that are solid but unspectacular. While I’ve tried to avoid getting actively involved for years at this point, it’s been fascinating to see how the Hurts narrative has developed. I’m going to use his arm strength to illustrate what I mean. Remember the ridiculous talking point about him not having the arm to throw deep? I’m not sure if you remember, but even as I was arguing he’s not the star we all hoped he was, I was also explaining that his arm strength is fine for the NFL. It’s that he gets to the throws too late and the window closes when he tries to take those to the middle of the field. That’s why it looks fine when he goes to the sideline. But the full story is that the high end NFL arms can be late and get it in there. So is it the chicken or the egg? His arm strength is fine. Not great. Not terrible. Accuracy is also fine. His processing speed is the same. To me, it’s a lesson in how hard a QB is capped by not having some type of elite passing skill.

I very specifically remember you saying this - and you've been super consistent about it!

Now the new narrative about his arm is that he can't throw to the middle of the field...which is fun since I don't know where Jalen *can* throw it if he can't throw it deep or in the middle apparently.

We have the opportunity to find out how far fans will push this anti-Jalen narrative. Does is it take him winning the SB to have faith in him? Or will people *still* insist he isn't worth his salt?

Obviously I want to win because it would make my life to win a title - and this team has earned it so far - but the sick man in me wants to win just to see how fans will talk about him after.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

"Look at how many receivers are wide open!!!!!!!!!"



I very specifically remember you saying this - and you've been super consistent about it!

Now the new narrative about his arm is that he can't throw to the middle of the field...which is fun since I don't know where Jalen *can* throw it if he can't throw it deep or in the middle apparently.

We have the opportunity to find out how far fans will push this anti-Jalen narrative. Does is it take him winning the SB to have faith in him? Or will people *still* insist he isn't worth his salt?

Obviously I want to win because it would make my life to win a title - and this team has earned it so far - but the sick man in me wants to win just to see how fans will talk about him after.

Against my better judgment, I'm going to write this out. My big concerns are two things.

One, he is at this point a QB who is defined by making things worse when they go wrong. His Pressure to Sack ratios are off the charts and have been for years. That's one of the best ways isolate QB play from blocking. Part of being above the Baker Mayfield tier is understanding how to minimize damage consistently. While how he looked on that Safety was I'm sure in part because of the knee, I don't think it would have been materially different if he was healthy. He might have moved a little bit. But he doesn't have whatever it is that makes you find a way to get out of that play with an incomplete pass. Never has consistently and never will. Can't teach it.

Two is that he's had 5 OCs of reasonable quality and he still can't handle sim pressures. I can live with so much else that goes wrong, but when you get to the playoffs and teams make boutique gameplans based on your entire season and even previous ones, it becomes too much to overcome. Here's an example from yesterday:



They have a great play for this. Everyone playing in the NFL should be expected to see this and go to AJB running a Slant on the backside. It's not processing (look at his head movement) or the generic can't find a second read claptrap. It's how he synthesizes what the defense is doing after the play has started. I think he's competent at it before the snap!

 

[DancingPanther]

Against my better judgment, I'm going to write this out. My big concerns are two things.

One, he is at this point a QB who is defined by making things worse when they go wrong. His Pressure to Sack ratios are off the charts and have been for years. That's one of the best ways isolate QB play from blocking. Part of being above the Baker Mayfield tier is understanding how to minimize damage consistently. While how he looked on that Safety was I'm sure in part because of the knee, I don't think it would have been materially different if he was healthy. He might have moved a little bit. But he doesn't have whatever it is that makes you find a way to get out of that play with an incomplete pass. Never has consistently and never will. Can't teach it.

Two is that he's had 5 OCs of reasonable quality and he still can't handle sim pressures. I can live with so much else that goes wrong, but when you get to the playoffs and teams make boutique gameplans based on your entire season and even previous ones, it becomes too much to overcome. Here's an example from yesterday:



They have a great play for this. Everyone playing in the NFL should be expected to see this and go to AJB running a Slant on the backside. It's not processing (look at his head movement) or the generic can't find a second read claptrap. It's how he synthesizes what the defense is doing after the play has started. I think he's competent at it before the snap!

Cooked.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Realistically, does anyone know the earliest that they could move on from Hurts?

I’m sure the dead cap would be insanity.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Jake Elliot needs to go, he's become such a liability out there, I mean a 30 yard kick should go in 99 out of 100 times

 

[DancingPanther]

Jake Elliot needs to go, he's become such a liability out there, I mean a 30 yard kick should go in 99 out of 100 times

He nailed 3 clutch fgs in the snow yesterday though. I don't think he's toast.

The XP thing is weird though for sure

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Realistically, does anyone know the earliest that they could move on from Hurts?

I’m sure the dead cap would be insanity.

The first real out year for the Eagles I assume would be 2027 at which point he would be a June 1 cut. On a June that year I believe the cap would be $47.9M taken in 2027 and $54 million deferred to 2028. If they pay out the 2027 option the June 1 in 2028 would be $35.8 million and $57.8 million in 2029. My assumption is the Eagles have a contingency to split the 2029 dead money.

 

[Superman33]

So, you want Hurts to do what the player many thought Hurts was going to be is already doing?

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I figured the technology already existed, just need to throw the shock collar in for Hurts to help him develop a skill via classical conditioning that he has been unable to learn on his own his entire life.

 

[Rebels57]

When was the last time a RB ran for 200+ yards twice in the same season (including post-season) against the same team?

If it has been done, I doubt it has ever been done against a team in a different division.

The answer is never.

 

[StreetHawk]

Hurts cap hit over the next 3 seasons is very manageable. Currently set to be $21.8, $31.8, and $41.8 mill over 2025-2027 seasons. Cash wise, he is slated to earn: $42, 51, 51 mill over the next 3 seasons.

They could cut him after 2026, but his deal contains $22 mill of 2027 salaries that become fully guaranteed on the 3rd day of the 2026 league year.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The answer is never.

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What an incredibly weird season. Almost half his Yards in 3 Games. I preferred his 2017 personally.

 

[achdumeingute]

Against my better judgment, I'm going to write this out. My big concerns are two things.

One, he is at this point a QB who is defined by making things worse when they go wrong. His Pressure to Sack ratios are off the charts and have been for years. That's one of the best ways isolate QB play from blocking. Part of being above the Baker Mayfield tier is understanding how to minimize damage consistently. While how he looked on that Safety was I'm sure in part because of the knee, I don't think it would have been materially different if he was healthy. He might have moved a little bit. But he doesn't have whatever it is that makes you find a way to get out of that play with an incomplete pass. Never has consistently and never will. Can't teach it.

Two is that he's had 5 OCs of reasonable quality and he still can't handle sim pressures. I can live with so much else that goes wrong, but when you get to the playoffs and teams make boutique gameplans based on your entire season and even previous ones, it becomes too much to overcome. Here's an example from yesterday:



They have a great play for this. Everyone playing in the NFL should be expected to see this and go to AJB running a Slant on the backside. It's not processing (look at his head movement) or the generic can't find a second read claptrap. It's how he synthesizes what the defense is doing after the play has started. I think he's competent at it before the snap!

I mean, its hard to know exactly the progressions are on the play. By his looks, he's not going for the slant to AJB, its probably 4th look who knows... The spacing on this play design is crap, he could maybe have hit Dotson...maybe that's on hurts for not guessing right...but the defense gets payed to keep people guessing too.

Jurgens gets trucked back into the QB by Verse on the stunt too.

There is a lot to not like from multiple people on this play, but I seriously dislike this playcall.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I mean, its hard to know exactly the progressions are on the play. By his looks, he's not going for the slant to AJB. The spacing on this play design is crap, he could maybe have hit Dotson...maybe that's on hurts for not guessing right...but the defense gets payed to keep people guessing too.

Jurgens gets trucked back into the QB by Verse on the stunt too.

There is a lot to not like from multiple people on this play, but I seriously dislike this playcall.

It’s clearly to the right first. His head tells us that. But he sees the guy showing pressure drop and instead of immediately coming off, his internal clock doesn’t speed up. He’s got a flooded zone or he’s got AJ Brown on a backslide Slant vs Single High with another Slant running a clear out for him. There should be alarm bells going off in his head. He’ll hit that throw if he can find it. He’s accurate. If he puts it in stride and AJB makes the Safety miss, that could even be 6.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

I mean, its hard to know exactly the progressions are on the play. By his looks, he's not going for the slant to AJB, its probably 4th look who knows... The spacing on this play design is crap, he could maybe have hit Dotson...maybe that's on hurts for not guessing right...but the defense gets payed to keep people guessing too.

Jurgens gets trucked back into the QB by Verse on the stunt too.

There is a lot to not like from multiple people on this play, but I seriously dislike this playcall.

I don't understand what's wrong with the play call. AJ is wide open and Smith is too if the linebacker doesn't drop. There's two viable options pre-snap.

I don't think the read progressions are as static as you are saying, that has to adjust based on what the defense does

 

[Gregor Samsa]

It would be funny if the Eagles win the SB with Hurts averaging like 120-150 passing yards a game. He would instantly become one of the most divisive figures in Philadelphia sports history

 

[Svechhammer]

 

[StreetHawk]

It would be funny if the Eagles win the SB with Hurts averaging like 120-150 passing yards a game. He would instantly become one of the most divisive figures in Philadelphia sports history

when you have Barkley and their OL, no reason to put the game on Hurts arm. Use Hurts legs too. Passed up 2 potential FG attempts letting him pass but taking a sack to knock them out of range.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Ben Johnson to Bears.

 

[Flybynite]

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