JojoTheWhale
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Chinatown88
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Where's the collab with Saban???
DancingPanther
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Bro there's no way lol this is real. Who would agree to that?
Also you must be losing? You can't do it if you're tied?
Things like this are why I feel like my interest in the major sports is waining and I watch other weird things like Cricket and Aussie Rules Football lol
JojoTheWhale
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Those rules (except the weird score clause) are because they’re going to the low impact Kickoffs. It turns out giving NFL players a free 20-40 yards of buildup time means CTE for everyone. The new positions don’t work for Onsides. You can’t just place a bouncing football 27 yards down the field.
Last year, each team only returned 1.1 kicks per game. You’ll get significantly more of those this season. The downside is 1-3 plays per team per year changing meaningfully. You couldn’t find more of a non-issue.
The interesting bit here is what teams decided to use as KO strats. Early returns seem like there are going to be 2 distinct schools of thought. One is just kicking the thing out of bounds. It wouldn’t surprise me if they try to send a memo preventing teams from doing that on purpose, but good luck with enforcement.
Last year, each team only returned 1.1 kicks per game. You’ll get significantly more of those this season. The downside is 1-3 plays per team per year changing meaningfully. You couldn’t find more of a non-issue.
The interesting bit here is what teams decided to use as KO strats. Early returns seem like there are going to be 2 distinct schools of thought. One is just kicking the thing out of bounds. It wouldn’t surprise me if they try to send a memo preventing teams from doing that on purpose, but good luck with enforcement.
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LegionOfDoom91
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I get why they did it but essentially making the onside kick success rate down to single digit success rate under the new rules. Not having a plausible chance of getting the ball back has killed potential late game chaos scenarios.
It’s gimmicky but they’re actually warming me up to like something that XFL has/had with the one play to get 15 yards or whatever it is.
It’s gimmicky but they’re actually warming me up to like something that XFL has/had with the one play to get 15 yards or whatever it is.
DancingPanther
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I'm totally with you on player safety and completely understand why they changed regular kickoff rules. I draw the line at telling teams when you're allowed to call a play or not, and in doing so taking out legitimate strategy from a game.
What they should have done instead of this is got rid of it all together and went with some 4th and 18 type, one and done style conversion from the kickoff line in order to keep the ball. Why have this in between time?!
I get it's only a few plays but it's that level of micromanagement that irks me. My mind can be changed if there is data showing head trauma/injuries still happening on onide kicks, but then again I'll still say why keep them at all?
LegionOfDoom91
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I don’t really dig deep into statistics/analytics in the NFL or really watch a whole lot either outside of the Eagles opposed to college football.
But for me to the NFL the changes don’t really bother me because how much of an edge is there really to gain with field position & kick off returns?
In college they’ll just find kick off guys with big enough legs to kick to the back of the end zone or out of the end zone completely to get a touchback just to take a touch away & avoid potential chaos. If you pin a college offense within their ten yard line. It’s obviously a lot harder for a college offense to drive a ball 90+ yards down field for touchdown or even a score. You’re almost telling yourself if you can pick up 10-20 yards off offense & then punt the ball like 40 yards with a minimal return that’s a win. I don’t feel like that’s the strategy or mindset in the NFL. As you probably have far more confidence in your offense to drive more in that situation &/or your punter to kick further.
But for me to the NFL the changes don’t really bother me because how much of an edge is there really to gain with field position & kick off returns?
In college they’ll just find kick off guys with big enough legs to kick to the back of the end zone or out of the end zone completely to get a touchback just to take a touch away & avoid potential chaos. If you pin a college offense within their ten yard line. It’s obviously a lot harder for a college offense to drive a ball 90+ yards down field for touchdown or even a score. You’re almost telling yourself if you can pick up 10-20 yards off offense & then punt the ball like 40 yards with a minimal return that’s a win. I don’t feel like that’s the strategy or mindset in the NFL. As you probably have far more confidence in your offense to drive more in that situation &/or your punter to kick further.
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DancingPanther
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JojoTheWhale
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That exact 4th & 15 option is suggested every year at the league meetings by Jeffrey Lurie.
JojoTheWhale
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That's cheap. I still don't quite understand why the top of the EDGE market is so far above the elite OTs.
Chinatown88
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Is peak EDGE years shorter than the peak years of an OT? I think the longevity of some of the top tackles lately lowered the market price a bit. Sure it's still hard to find top OTs but it's just a thought.
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JojoTheWhale
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Both can be true. Kickoffs are a tiny percentage of plays that also had a disproportionately high injury and concussion rate.
JojoTheWhale
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I would expect athleticism to matter more at EDGE in particular, yes.
While we’re at it, remember when this guy fell because of “character concerns” like weed and admitting he took money from an SEC school? Feels like he’s got one hell of an understanding of how the system actually works to me.
Chinatown88
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that's a whole lot for the young man..but glad they got that done..might be the most important guy on our entire line..such a fun guy and lineman
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