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In the 15 yrs since Peyton Manning, the domed Colts offense has been in the top 5 once, top 10 five times, and 30th twice.

Domed Detroit has been in the top 5 for the last 3 years, but only 2 other times in 15 yrs.

No dome Patriots under Brady were never out of the top ten.

Domes don't matter, players do.
 
swami24 said:
In the 15 yrs since Peyton Manning, the domed Colts offense has been in the top 5 once, top 10 five times, and 30th twice.

Domed Detroit has been in the top 5 for the last 3 years, but only 2 other times in 15 yrs.

No dome Patriots under Brady were never out of the top ten.

Domes don't matter, players do.
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Kurt Warner? Domes don’t matter for the great ones. Sometimes the really good ones can take advantage of the benefits.
 
swami24 said:
In the 15 yrs since Peyton Manning, the domed Colts offense has been in the top 5 once, top 10 five times, and 30th twice.

Domed Detroit has been in the top 5 for the last 3 years, but only 2 other times in 15 yrs.

No dome Patriots under Brady were never out of the top ten.

Domes don't matter, players do.
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This is so wildly disingenuous lol

Your post is meaningless.You just told us bad offenses are bad and good offenses are good.

If you're trying to argue about indoor stadiums convey more offense, you have to look at the splits per season indoor vs outdoor and look for trends. Someone sort of almost did that for QBs over on reddit, and surprise surprise, QBs on the whole saw their passer ratings rise when playing inside vs outside. This isn't foolproof either, as QB rating has flaws and also isn't the best surrogate marker of successful offense.

Here's the post for reference

Ideally, you'd stratify by team, by year, and look at the difference in their DVOA and/or EPA based on environment (i.e. indoor vs outdoor)

It is not unreasonable to hypothesize bad teams are bad inside and worse outside, while good teams are good inside and a little worse but still good outside. This is because bad teams are bad and good teams are good. But that's not to say weather (or lack thereof) "doesn't matter". The answer is out there.
 
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DancingPanther said:
This is so wildly disingenuous lol

Your post is meaningless.You just told us bad offenses are bad and good offenses are good.

If you're trying to argue about indoor stadiums convey more offense, you have to look at the splits per season indoor vs outdoor and look for trends. Someone sort of almost did that for QBs over on reddit, and surprise surprise, QBs on the whole saw their passer ratings rise when playing inside vs outside. This isn't foolproof either, as QB rating has flaws and also isn't the best surrogate marker of successful offense.

Here's the post for reference

Ideally, you'd stratify by team, by year, and look at the difference in their DVOA and/or EPA based on environment (i.e. indoor vs outdoor)

It is not unreasonable to hypothesize bad teams are bad inside and worse outside, while good teams are good inside and a little worse but still good outside. This is because bad teams are bad and good teams are good. But that's not to say weather (or lack thereof) "doesn't matter". The answer is out there.
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This can be tough to disentangle, but in general, an Outdoor NFL passing offense at Home is about equivalent to that same offense on the Road when Indoors. Every other Home/Road Out/In (Dome @ Dome, etc) split is measurably negative. That's the simplest way I've ever seen it explained.

There's too much involved to pin it on individual QBs or coaches or even schemes. It helps in a broad sense. That's the one thing we know for sure.
 
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If I were a Giants fan, i'm just relieved it's not Rodgers. At last Jameis will be entertaining.
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The only thing that would concern me as a Giants fan is that Winston probably doesn’t stop you from drafting Ward or Sanders high.

If I’m a Giants fan I’m hoping the QB pick gets pushed back to the 2026 draft where the class should be a lot better at that position. They’re going to be terrible next year regardless of what they do at this point. So you should be in that top QB range again next year.
 
@Chinatown88 I am woefully behind on my prep this year, but I got some time this morning. I was wrong. I'm out on James Pearce.

The more players I see, the more DL hands become important to me going up a level. It's why I loved Verse and Nolan Smith. Pearce's hands are terrible. I guess you can get away with it if you're super bendy, but he's not. He's just fast.
 
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As some of you may know, I despise mock drafts, but I was mindlessly scrolling ESPN's NFL page and saw Mike Tannenbaum's projected 2025 draft. Tannenbaum was once the GM of the Jets, so take that as you will. For the Eagles, he went with this:

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Why in the world would the Eagles select a guard in the first round? First of all, they signed Kenyon Green, and have Tyler Steen and Trevor Keegan already (not to mention Toth and Kinnard) and there is a stronger need elsewhere. I see IOLs as I see safeties and LBs - mid-second round at the earliest unless the talent is undeniable and glaring. Convince me that Zabel is not an unreasonable pick in the first round, albeit at the very end of it.

Link: 2025 NFL mock draft: Tannenbaum makes GM picks for Round 1
 
Kermit the Prog said:
As some of you may know, I despise mock drafts, but I was mindlessly scrolling ESPN's NFL page and saw Mike Tannenbaum's projected 2025 draft. Tannenbaum was once the GM of the Jets, so take that as you will. For the Eagles, he went with this:

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Why in the world would the Eagles select a guard in the first round? First of all, they signed Kenyon Green, and have Tyler Steen and Trevor Keegan already (not to mention Toth and Kinnard) and there is a stronger need elsewhere. I see IOLs as I see safeties and LBs - mid-second round at the earliest unless the talent is undeniable and glaring. Convince me that Zabel is not an unreasonable pick in the first round, albeit at the very end of it.

Link: 2025 NFL mock draft: Tannenbaum makes GM picks for Round 1
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Well, for starters the Eagles don't have many short term holes and Howie has a tendency to address the trenches in the draft. Zabel is tough and versatile, and he was outstanding at the senior bowl. He played both tackle and guard spots at NDSU. He could end up competing with Steen.
 
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Kermit the Prog said:
As some of you may know, I despise mock drafts, but I was mindlessly scrolling ESPN's NFL page and saw Mike Tannenbaum's projected 2025 draft. Tannenbaum was once the GM of the Jets, so take that as you will. For the Eagles, he went with this:

View attachment 998986

Why in the world would the Eagles select a guard in the first round? First of all, they signed Kenyon Green, and have Tyler Steen and Trevor Keegan already (not to mention Toth and Kinnard) and there is a stronger need elsewhere. I see IOLs as I see safeties and LBs - mid-second round at the earliest unless the talent is undeniable and glaring. Convince me that Zabel is not an unreasonable pick in the first round, albeit at the very end of it.

Link: 2025 NFL mock draft: Tannenbaum makes GM picks for Round 1
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You have to have context on who was left. These type of picks, outside of stupidity (see the Flyers), come from who is left on your board. Zabel might be slotted on their board at 28-36, and other players might be slotted mid-2nds, absent a trade down, they might go for a nice new pupil for Stoutland U.
 
Kermit the Prog said:
As some of you may know, I despise mock drafts, but I was mindlessly scrolling ESPN's NFL page and saw Mike Tannenbaum's projected 2025 draft. Tannenbaum was once the GM of the Jets, so take that as you will. For the Eagles, he went with this:

View attachment 998986

Why in the world would the Eagles select a guard in the first round? First of all, they signed Kenyon Green, and have Tyler Steen and Trevor Keegan already (not to mention Toth and Kinnard) and there is a stronger need elsewhere. I see IOLs as I see safeties and LBs - mid-second round at the earliest unless the talent is undeniable and glaring. Convince me that Zabel is not an unreasonable pick in the first round, albeit at the very end of it.

Link: 2025 NFL mock draft: Tannenbaum makes GM picks for Round 1
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DancingPanther said:
Well, for starters the Eagles don't have many short term holes and Howie has a tendency to address the trenches in the draft. Zabel is tough and versatile, and he was outstanding at the senior bowl. He played both tackle and guard spots at NDSU. He could end up competing with Steen.
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I could definitely see them drafting a guard that they think can be a tackle later on. They were looking at Paris Johnson in 2023.
 
GKJ said:
I could definitely see them drafting a guard that they think can be a tackle later on. They were looking at Paris Johnson in 2023.
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This is the primary reasoning I could see them taking him at pick #32. With Howie having all of those picks, I'm intrigued how he's going to bounce around the draft board. I still wouldn't put it past him to trade down.
 
Kermit the Prog said:
This is the primary reasoning I could see them taking him at pick #32. With Howie having all of those picks, I'm intrigued how he's going to bounce around the draft board. I still wouldn't put it past him to trade down.
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I don’t think they trade down. In fact, I think they trade up. They have 20 picks over the next 2 drafts, you only get 53 on your roster. Having the 5th year option will benefit them too when they gotta pay some of these guys on defense.
 
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GKJ said:
I don’t think they trade down. In fact, I think they trade up. They have 20 picks over the next 2 drafts, you only get 53 on your roster. Having the 5th year option will benefit them too when they gotta pay some of these guys on defense.
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I'm mainly thinking why I wouldn't be shocked is if there is an active roster player being offered to them. Then again, pick 32 generally isn't prime first round material (all apologies to Lamar Jackson), but that fifth year option is huge. Most likely, and I agree with you, is packaging to trade up.
 
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