Proposal: PHI-PIT-WPG 3 way

[Toby Flenderson]

If the flyers and schenn can't reach a deal.

To Pitt:
B. Schenn

To Wpg:
O. Maatta

To Phi:
N. Ehlers
2017 2nd (Wpg)
2017 3rd (Pitt)

Maybe I'm higher than most on Pouliot but I believe he can and should make the jump to top 4 D, and we did pretty well in playoffs when Maatta wasn't in the line up. I think a top 6 LW is a greater need of ours

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[fmrdh]

No chance

 

[Pyromaniac]

Value wise I don't think it's that bad.

 

[Juicy Pop]

Forget the value, Philly is not dealing Schenn to Pitt.

 

[Thorburnt]

Ehlers and a 2nd for Maatta? That is highway robbery my friend.

 

[ThatGuy]

Value aside, why would the Pens want Schenn over Maatta?

 

[iBELEAF]

fair value for all teams. nice

 

[Roof Daddy]

One of the better 3 ways I've seen in terms of fair value, just a couple issues....

Doesn't make much sense for the Pens. Their D - while it got the job done - is pretty thin depth wise. Can't see them moving a top 4 guy without getting one back. They also don't have the cap space to acquire a guy who likely gets awarded 5 mil per in arbitration.

As good as I think Ehlers can become, I'm not sure his peak is much better than Schenn, if at all. Not sure why Philly would downgrade currently in the hopes that Ehlers becomes the better player. Is a 2nd and 3rd really worth that risk?

I think it makes sense for the Jets, but I'm sure you'll get your fair share of criticism from them because the love Ehlers.

 

[Pongs21]

So Winnipeg deals the best player and adds a 2nd?? Yeah no chance. Wpg says no fairly easy here, even without the 2nd.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

So...the Pens trade from a weakness to get a strength.

Makes sense.

Stop offering up Määttä, please.

 

[Drew4u]

Wow that's a terrible trade for the jets, they lose Ehlers and a second for a slow overrated d men. I wouldn't even trade Ehlers for maatta and a second. Can't believe how many people are overrating maatta

 

[Evergreen]

So Winnipeg deals the best player and adds a 2nd?? Yeah no chance. Wpg says no fairly easy here, even without the 2nd.

How on earth is Ehlers the best player? He's the least proven. He might turn out to be the best, but that's not a certainty. He's certainly not the best now.

 

[Djp]

If the flyers and schenn can't reach a deal.

To Pitt:
B. Schenn

To Wpg:
O. Maatta

To Phi:
N. Ehlers
2017 2nd (Wpg)
2017 3rd (Pitt)

Maybe I'm higher than most on Pouliot but I believe he can and should make the jump to top 4 D, and we did pretty well in playoffs when Maatta wasn't in the line up. I think a top 6 LW is a greater need of ours

Winnipeg gets bent over.....

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

 

[Djp]

How on earth is Ehlers the best player? He's the least proven. He might turn out to be the best, but that's not a certainty. He's certainly not the best now.

Ehlers is only 20, 2 yrs more of ELC time, thus exempt from the expansion draft. He had a decent rookie season so he should become as good as Schenn...but he is much more cost controlled.

With Mattaa...that forces Winnipeg to protect 4 admen otherwise the lose a Dman in the expansion draft so that factors in as well.


With these other factors Ehkers has the most value.

 

[Maukkis]

I see no Provorov, I see no deal. Määttä is not exempt, which would ruin us in the expansion draft.

 

[phlocky]

Ehlers is only 20, 2 yrs more of ELC time, thus exempt from the expansion draft. He had a decent rookie season so he should become as good as Schenn...but he is much more cost controlled.

With Mattaa...that forces Winnipeg to protect 4 admen otherwise the lose a Dman in the expansion draft so that factors in as well.


With these other factors Ehkers has the most value.

Nice try at worming his way out of the hole he dug but he didy't say Ehlers was the most "valuable", he said he was "the best player" and the FACT is that right now, he's the 3rd best player in this proposal. Maybe you don't make this trade for other reasons but you don't NOT do this deal because you think he's the best player out of the 3 right now.

Also, no way the Flyers do this

 

[Zirakzigil]

Trade doesn't make sense for the Pens. Maatta fills a need and just signed an extension. Trading defense for more forwards isn't happening right now.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

You could have at least bought us dinner first.

 

[Whileee]

Horrible for the Jets in terms of value. It would take a huge return to pry Ehlers away from the Jets.

 

[Riptide]

If the flyers and schenn can't reach a deal.

To Pitt:
B. Schenn

To Wpg:
O. Maatta


Maybe I'm higher than most on Pouliot but I believe he can and should make the jump to top 4 D, and we did pretty well in playoffs when Maatta wasn't in the line up. I think a top 6 LW is a greater need of ours

Why is PIT moving one of it's 4 top 4D for a forward? I mean I like Pouliot, but there's zero reason to do this. And even if DP could step in and play top 4 minutes, there's a difference between him actually being able to play 18-20 minutes a night and him being able to effectively face the quality of players Maatta can handle. Really, there's zero reason why PIT should do this.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Nice try at worming his way out of the hole he dug but he didy't say Ehlers was the most "valuable", he said he was "the best player" and the FACT is that right now, he's the 3rd best player in this proposal. Maybe you don't make this trade for other reasons but you don't NOT do this deal because you think he's the best player out of the 3 right now.

Also, no way the Flyers do this

Uh, sorry no. He IS the best player. You may not have seen him lately.

2 questions: 1) Why would Philly turn this down. The premise is they can't sign Schenn so they are giving up only a winger they can't sign and they are getting the biggest return. - 2)Why is Philly even involved here? Pitt and Peg deal direct if Pitt were willing to give up Maatta and Winnipeg were willing to give up Ehlers. Neither is likely willing so .....

Much as I'd like Maatta I would not give up Ehlers for him. Not even straight up much less add a 2nd.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Why is PIT moving one of it's 4 top 4D for a forward? I mean I like Pouliot, but there's zero reason to do this. And even if DP could step in and play top 4 minutes, there's a difference between him actually being able to play 18-20 minutes a night and him being able to effectively face the quality of players Maatta can handle. Really, there's zero reason why PIT should do this.

I just think we should upgrade from Sheary, rust and Kunitz in our top 6. And we have Pouliot to replace Maatta

 

[Riptide]

Value aside, why would the Pens want Schenn over Maatta?

They might if they had another top 4D who was 23 and signed to a great contract. However, seeing how we do not... I can't see many who would do that swap. I mean I'd love to have Schenn... but not at the expense of Maatta or Dumoulin. Schenn would be really nice to have. But we need Maatta if we want any chance at repeating.

 

[Riptide]

So Winnipeg deals the best player and adds a 2nd?? Yeah no chance. Wpg says no fairly easy here, even without the 2nd.

In a proposal that has Brayden Schenn, Olli Maatta and Ehlers - Ehlers is the "best player" ?! LOL.

Ehlers is only 20, 2 yrs more of ELC time, thus exempt from the expansion draft. He had a decent rookie season so he should become as good as Schenn...but he is much more cost controlled.

With Mattaa...that forces Winnipeg to protect 4 admen otherwise the lose a Dman in the expansion draft so that factors in as well.


With these other factors Ehkers has the most value.

Even if that were true, that's not the same thing as saying he's the best player. He's not. He might be in a few years (or even next year), but as of the end of last season, he's not, and it's not even close.