Confirmed Signing with Link: [PHI] Brayden Schenn (4 years, $5.125M AAV)

[tade]

**** yes !!

 

[playasRus]

Probably something pretty similar. But then he was always going to get 5m+. That's what happens when you score 56 goals and 107 points in 2 years.

I'd be ecstatic ifhe only got 5mil over 4 years.

 

[Duck Off]

Bobby McBoatface always scooping up the details

The respect that guy has around the league is ridiculously impressive. On vacation and still gets the "breaking" news. Going to be a sad day when he retires in the next few years.

As for the contract:

I'd call it fair. Good deal for both sides.

 

[phlocky]

I was expecting 5x5.5 but after thinking about it 4 years is perfect. You don't want too many of your core players contracts expiring at the same time and this isolates his. Also, thinking even deeper, if Konecny goes back to juniors (I don't know, I just have a gut feeling he will) his ELC will expire the same year as Schenns. Thus, if Schenn ends up pricing himself out of Philly we could have the top 6 replacement for him signing a bridge contact.

 

[Curufinwe]

Probably something pretty similar. But then he was always going to get 5m+. That's what happens when you score 56 goals and 107 points in 2 years.

The other thing is, the Flyers weren't going to get much of a discount in arbitration. The midpoint of their offer and Schenn's offer was $4.875m.

So 2 x $4.875m or 4 x $5.125m? I think the choice is clear.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Not a fan. I don't think him and Kadri are much different players. Obviously Brayden had a bigger year, but over their careers they have been the same. Kadri had a more shutdown role and unlucky start (sub 2% shooting % over the first few months) and I think they are similar offensively.

I think they overpaid him IMO.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Not a fan. I don't think him and Kadri are much different players. Obviously Brayden had a bigger year, but over their careers they have been the same. Kadri had a more shutdown role and unlucky start (sub 2% shooting % over the first few months) and I think they are similar offensively.

I think they overpaid him IMO.

Are you serious?

 

[WastedTalent]

Not a fan. I don't think him and Kadri are much different players. Obviously Brayden had a bigger year, but over their careers they have been the same. Kadri had a more shutdown role and unlucky start (sub 2% shooting % over the first few months) and I think they are similar offensively.

I think they overpaid him IMO.

Damn, only took until page 2 this time until the Leafs fans started mentioning Kadri. Unreal lmao

 

[Cootsfanclub]

I like the deal a lot along with everything else Hexy has done this summer.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Not a fan. I don't think him and Kadri are much different players. Obviously Brayden had a bigger year, but over their careers they have been the same. Kadri had a more shutdown role and unlucky start (sub 2% shooting % over the first few months) and I think they are similar offensively.

I think they overpaid him IMO.

Tavares has a cap hit of 5.5. They're both overpaid. See what happens when we ignore context?

 

[Redline]

Damn, only took until page 2 this time until the Leafs fans started mentioning Kadri. Unreal lmao

I only see one. How many am I missing?

 

[Kamiccolo]

Are you serious?

Damn, only took until page 2 this time until the Leafs fans started mentioning Kadri. Unreal lmao

Their advanced stats show Brayden is a slightly better offensive player (which reflects on the stat sheet as well) but Kadri is a much better possession, shot suppressing, and defensive player. Kadri was outscoring him up until 2 years ago.

Brayden scored 15 more points in like 7 or 8 more games. Kadri was snake bitten, and if we pretend he had normal production and played a full year, statistically he would have been outscored by 5 or 6 points.

Regardless, Kadri also played MUCH harder minutes, which explain his lack of production, compared to a more sheltered Schenn who gets the benefit of better linemates as well (Giroux and Simmonds vs Half a year of JVR and Komarov).

To pretend they aren't comparable players is laughable.

Plus Kadri plays the more important position.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Tavares has a cap hit of 5.5. They're both overpaid. See what happens when we ignore context?

Explain how what I said lacks context? They are basically the same age and signed in the same off season.

 

[mja]

Explain how what I said lacks context? They are basically the same age and signed in the same off season.

And have been trending in different directions the last two seasons.

 

[Tatar Shots]

Guy is a massive Leafs homer and I'd assume even the vast majority of Leafs fans wouldn't agree with him. He is either trolling or not very knowledgeable about hockey. No need for everyone to start arguing with him.

Anyways I really like this deal for the Flyers.

 

[Larry44]

Their advanced stats show Brayden is a slightly better offensive player (which reflects on the stat sheet as well) but Kadri is a much better possession, shot suppressing, and defensive player. Kadri was outscoring him up until 2 years ago.

Brayden scored 15 more points in like 7 or 8 more games. Kadri was snake bitten, and if we pretend he had normal production and played a full year, statistically he would have been outscored by 5 or 6 points.

Regardless, Kadri also played MUCH harder minutes, which explain his lack of production, compared to a more sheltered Schenn who gets the benefit of better linemates as well (Giroux and Simmonds vs Half a year of JVR and Komarov).

To pretend they aren't comparable players is laughable.

Plus Kadri plays the more important position.

I guess real question is: this is a thread about Schenn, who gives a sweet crap about Kadri?

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't think there's much between them as players. Kadri is a center playing a harder role on a worse team. Schenn had much better point totals, which almost always translates directly into extra cash.

It's hard to say the Flyers overpaid when the arbitrator's award would have most likely been only $250K less than the AAV the Flyers got on a four year deal.

 

[Hockeypete49]

Anything under 5.5 and i was gonna be happy, so shade over 5 is real good imo.

sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hockeypete49]

I guess real question is: this is a thread about Schenn, who gives a sweet crap about Kadri?[/QUOTE]

I agree. Who gives a crap about kadri?

 

[Kamiccolo]

Guy is a massive Leafs homer and I'd assume even the vast majority of Leafs fans wouldn't agree with him. He is either trolling or not very knowledgeable about hockey. No need for everyone to start arguing with him.

Anyways I really like this deal for the Flyers.

Nice strawman. Attack the poster as you have nothing to add. What part of him slightly outscoring Kadri while playing with Giroux and Simmonds on MUCH better QoC is false? Did Kadri not have the lowest shooting% of his career to start the year? Did he not play with JVR half a year and Komarov?

How is it unreasonable to say a center in a shutdown role with two vastly worse linemates scoring slightly less isn't a mystery?

He's also a winger, and on a playoff team.

I guess real question is: this is a thread about Schenn, who gives a sweet crap about Kadri?

Well you know, when a player is signed... Typically they are compared to other comparable players..

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Explain how what I said lacks context? They are basically the same age and signed in the same off season.

While it's easy to average things out over one, two, or three years and assume that's the way the world works, it's not. Schenn's progression curve gives him more leverage than Kadri had, not to mention the obvious positional difference. Whether we like it or not (and I certainly don't), points get you paid.

To be sure, the Kadri contract is a very good one. It just doesn't mean Schenn is overpaid. One contract is NEVER going to set market value. The general consensus was roughly 5-5.25 on where Schenn would come in. He got paid fairly. If he's the player he was post 1/1, it could actually turn out to be a steal. If he reverts to a 50 pt PP specialist wing, it's still within the acceptable range.

 

[Hockeypete49]

Not a fan. I don't think him and Kadri are much different players. Obviously Brayden had a bigger year, but over their careers they have been the same. Kadri had a more shutdown role and unlucky start (sub 2% shooting % over the first few months) and I think they are similar offensively.

I think they overpaid him IMO.

Brayden is a more complete hockey player in my opinion than Kadri.

 

[Kamiccolo]

While it's easy to average things out over one, two, or three years and assume that's the way the world works, it's not. Schenn's progression curve gives him more leverage than Kadri had, not to mention the obvious positional difference. Whether we like it or not (and I certainly don't), points get you paid.

To be sure, the Kadri contract is a very good one. It just doesn't mean Schenn is overpaid. One contract is NEVER going to set market value. The general consensus was roughly 5-5.25 on where Schenn would come in. He got paid fairly. If he's the player he was post 1/1, it could actually turn out to be a steal. If he reverts to a 50 pt PP specialist wing, it's still within the acceptable range.

I'd be interested in the obvious positional difference compared to Kadri... One is a W, the other a C?

 

[Kamiccolo]

Brayden is a more complete hockey player in my opinion than Kadri.

You are entitled to that, but usage and advanced stats point to you being wrong.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I'd be interested in the obvious positional difference compared to Kadri... One is a W, the other a C?

Yep. Schenn hasn't played much C for quite a while. There are of course pluses and minuses on both sides, but when points get you paid and you play wing, it matters.