Proposal: Petry to the Caps

[TS Quint]

No, I didn't miss anything. I'm asking for less in return.

Comparing Caufield to a 25 year old is weird. Goes to show where your mind is at and the stuff you can find holds little value to this discussion.

Your reaching to devalue the Habs fan base. Reality. But I know where your focus is at now though. It's all about targeting Habs fans and belittle narratives.

No, I'm pointing out where you are clearly wrong. You don't take back any cap dumps. Hagelin isn't great but for 2.75m it's not horrible for what can do at the NHL level. I'm not devaluing anything. Garland would be far and away the 2nd highest point scorer on the Habs with his limited GP at 25 years old. You don't have to just compare him to Caufield. Compare him to the entire Habs roster and you want to pretend he doesn't exist.

Good luck to you. Can't wait to see the line up of Caps fans to take this generous deal you have offered.

 

[Habs Halifax]

A few? They literally only have 1 right now. Their entire d-core is 30+ atm outside of Fehervary. Why would they logically want to add a 35 year old making over 6M for 3 years?

Makar and Byram have no relevance at all here, why bring them up?

I don't care what the D looks like right now. It's about what is expiring this summer and how they can improve their D. Do you think the Caps are re signing Schultz and Kempny?

I doubt the Caps are going to replace from within with young D trying to mature on the job while they are trying to make the playoffs again next year. Keep dreaming with that. And it's not rocket science to understand that the Caps don't have guys like Makar and Byram to replace within. Disagree? Names please?

Knights just signed Martinez from age 34-36 at $5.25M. Petry will provide the same and likely move value under the same term and very close to the same age.

Maybe Petry's new home is not the Caps but bookmark this. Caps are going to make moves on D to try to improve it. Maybe in goal too. They have a little wiggle room with expiring contracts and about $9M in cap space with 17 players signed. This Petry idea where the Habs take back Hagelin and the Caps add a top 4RD for basically $3.5M off that $9M in space is not a horrible idea. Keep trying. Still $5.5M to go after other improvements.

 

[pth2]

Looking at the Caps, they have two contracts expiring in Schultz and Kempny and they could use Petry? Habs offer a young LD on top and are willing to take a contract dump in Hagelin back.

Petry and Clague
for
Hagelin, Lapierre, and a 2024 2nd.

I suspect you're overrating Petry's value somewhat.

I think taking out the 2nd rounder would make it all closer to something doable. Heck, depending on how Lapierre is perceived, maybe it's the Habs adding a pick. I'm not sure Clague has much value, either.

Petry and a 3d for Hagelin and Lapierre would still be win-win IMO.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No, I'm pointing out where you are clearly wrong. You don't take back any cap dumps. Hagelin isn't great but for 2.75m it's not horrible for what can do at the NHL level. I'm not devaluing anything. Garland would be far and away the 2nd highest point scorer on the Habs with his limited GP at 25 years old. You don't have to just compare him to Caufield. Compare him to the entire Habs roster and you want to pretend he doesn't exist.

Good luck to you. Can't wait to see the line up of Caps fans to take this generous deal you have offered.

Hagelin is a cap dump. This deal improves their D and takes up $3.5M off their $9M in space. Leaves room for more improvements.

Caufied should not be compared to a 25+ guy. Your reaching and your point is dumb.

Clearly wrong? .

 

[hockeykicker]

Hagelin may never play in the NHL again so no point trading him

 

[Habs Halifax]

I suspect you're overrating Petry's value somewhat.

I think taking out the 2nd rounder would make it all closer to something doable. Heck, depending on how Lapierre is perceived, maybe it's the Habs adding a pick. I'm not sure Clague has much value, either.

Petry and a 3d for Hagelin and Lapierre would still be win-win IMO.

Not sure. He's got 4 seasons in a row at 40 pts or more and this season, he is clearly drowning on a bad team. There is just no signs of decline other than points approach that many are falling in the trap. He's lean for his body size and still skates very very well. He's going to remain top 4D quality during that term and age. This is not a Gallagher situation where he is showing signs of loosing his skating at a much earlier age. If i was asking for that type of return for Gallagher, that would be a reach for sure.

Knights just signed Martinez from age 34-36 at $5.25M. Petry will provide equal or more value under the same age and term. Bookmark it.

Hagelin is the logical contract to take back. Caps improve their D and absorb $3.5M in cap off their $9M in cap space. $5.5M to make other moves and Petry fits their timing of them still trying to compete. Forget about Petry with the Caps if you wish... The Caps will be making moves to improve their D this summer.

I'm actually not that high on Lapierre. But I bet you and others think I'm trying to steal him away. Not really, he's a grade B+ type to me and never was good enough to crack a WJC. He's decent but he's not turning the needle in the Habs prospect pool. If the Caps value him high, keep him. We can look at other futures. I'm not desperate to acquire Lappiere... more about looking for a 1st/B prospect or a B+/2nd rounder type futures return while taking Hagelin. It's not a massive reach for a legit top 4RD who is not actually in decline like some thing he is. This is not a Gallagher decline situation

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hagelin may never play in the NHL again so no point trading him

That thought ran through my mind but if the Caps want to spend to the max cap by trying to improve their team, being forced to put that contract on LTIR before the season starts is not ideal. Even if it's a smaller contract. It affects accrued cap space and their ability to add more at the next deadline. Ask Tampa about that this year.

 

[TS Quint]

Sure, but this was the same BS with trade value with Chiarot, Lehkonen, and Toffoli. Petry will get a better return than you are dreaming it's not.

This is not a Gallagher trade idea. Completely a different story there. He's actually showing serious decline issues. Not the case with Petry

Let me remind you that you compared this garbage to the OEL trade and are still short $11.5m in cap dumps and a 25 year old who would easily be the Habs #2 scorer.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Let me remind you that you compared this garbage to the OEL trade and are still short $11.5m in cap dumps and a 25 year old who would easily be the Habs #2 scorer.

Don't need a reminder. I'm aware of the ins and outs of that trade. I'm asking for less futures in the Petry trade. Move on time. I rather talk to others. You can continue your Habs devalue narrative with someone else

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I don't care what the D looks like right now. It's about what is expiring this summer and how they can improve their D. Do you think the Caps are re signing Schultz and Kempny?

I doubt the Caps are going to replace from within with young D trying to mature on the job while they are trying to make the playoffs again next year. Keep dreaming with that. And it's not rocket science to understand that the Caps don't have guys like Makar and Byram to replace within. Disagree? Names please?

Knights just signed Martinez from age 34-36 at $5.25M. Petry will provide the same and likely move value under the same term and very close to the same age.

Maybe Petry's new home is not the Caps but bookmark this. Caps are going to make moves on D to try to improve it. Maybe in goal too. They have a little wiggle room with expiring contracts and about $9M in cap space with 17 players signed. This Petry idea where the Habs take back Hagelin and the Caps add a top 4RD for basically $3.5M off that $9M in space is not a horrible idea. Keep trying. Still $5.5M to go after other improvements.

This is a troll post, first of all whether Schultz and Kempny resign or walk is irrelevant, that doesnt change the fact that Fehervary is the only dman under 30 and Petry doesnt change that.

Second, why are you comparing Martinez when they are completely different style defensemen? Martinez is a defensive shutdown guy that can put up points and Petry is an offensive defenseman that is weak defensively.

Thirdly, you keep bringing up Makar and Byram, why? The caps dont need a 19/20 year old 1st pair guy, they wpuld be getting someone for the 2nd pr 3rd pair to be sheltered by Orlov.

I find it funny how its a burden for Montreal to take on Hagelin but not for Washington to take on Petry. Your proposal is poorly thought put and the value is just silly

 

[beowulf]

Dear Lord another Hab fan started Petry thread...... good luck Caps fans!

Tip for the Caps fans don't respond.

Maybe you should have followed your own tip.

Must have missed the part where you took back $11.5m in contract dumps and threw in a 25 year old who put up 39 points in 49 games. That is more points than Caufield in less games to put it in perspective.

Ohh gawd you are a special one...bringing Caufield into a thread that has nothing to do with him. Even if Caufield is 5 years younger but heh..

 

[pth2]

Not sure. He's got 4 seasons in a row at 40 pts or more and this season, he is clearly drowning on a bad team. There is just no signs of decline other than points approach that many are falling in the trap. He's lean for his body size and still skates very very well. He's going to remain top 4D quality during that term and age. This is not a Gallagher situation where he is showing signs of loosing his skating at a much earlier age. If i was asking for that type of return for Gallagher, that would be a reach for sure.

Knights just signed Martinez from age 34-36 at $5.25M. Petry will provide equal or more value under the same age and term. Bookmark it.

Hagelin is the logical contract to take back. Caps improve their D and absorb $3.5M in cap off their $9M in cap space. $5.5M to make other moves and Petry fits their timing of them still trying to compete. Forget about Petry with the Caps if you wish... The Caps will be making moves to improve their D this summer.

I'm actually not that high on Lapierre. But I bet you and others think I'm trying to steal him away. Not really, he's a grade B+ type to me and never was good enough to crack a WJC. He's decent but he's not turning the needle in the Habs prospect pool. If the Caps value him high, keep him. We can look at other futures. I'm not desperate to acquire Lappiere... more about looking for a 1st/B prospect or a B+/2nd rounder type futures return while taking Hagelin. It's not a massive reach for a legit top 4RD who is not actually in decline like some thing he is. This is not a Gallagher decline situation

Fair enough, I guess maybe I assume a higher value for Lapierre than you do.

I'd be very interested in a guy like Lapierre - local kid, a couple of years after his draft, likely ready to contribute within a year or two for a quick turnaround on the rebuild, much like Barron or Heinemann.

I do agree that Petry has a lot of good hockey in him, and the Gallagher situation is entirely different.

I expect Petry will get moved a week or two after the UFA period, when teams that lost guys (or didn't get their main targets) decide to shore up their ranks.

 

[Rockomax]

Habs don't need all the cap in the near future. Personally, I would not mind retaining like 2M for a trade to work.

Caps fans don't seem interested in Petry though, so retention or not, we probably won't find common ground here.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This is a troll post, first of all whether Schultz and Kempny resign or walk is irrelevant, that doesnt change the fact that Fehervary is the only dman under 30 and Petry doesnt change that.

Second, why are you comparing Martinez when they are completely different style defensemen? Martinez is a defensive shutdown guy that can put up points and Petry is an offensive defenseman that is weak defensively.

Thirdly, you keep bringing up Makar and Byram, why? The caps dont need a 19/20 year old 1st pair guy, they wpuld be getting someone for the 2nd pr 3rd pair to be sheltered by Orlov.

I find it funny how its a burden for Montreal to take on Hagelin but not for Washington to take on Petry. Your proposal is poorly thought put and the value is just silly

Not a troll post, it's a disagreement. Didn't read the rest due to how you started. I said what I said and I stand by it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Habs don't need all the cap in the near future. Personally, I would not mind retaining like 2M for a trade to work.

Caps fans don't seem interested in Petry though, so retention or not, we probably won't find common ground here.

Caps fans are saying they don't need improvements on D. Forget about Petry, Caps will be looking for improvements on D this summer.. regardless of a Petry fit or not.

 

[pth2]

Habs don't need all the cap in the near future. Personally, I would not mind retaining like 2M for a trade to work.

Caps fans don't seem interested in Petry though, so retention or not, we probably won't find common ground here.

I don't see why retaining would be necessary when his contract is reasonable. Also, retention slots are very useful, and this deadline we used all 3, I'd avoid using committing one to Petry for 3 years. That's 3 deadlines where a deal to rent out a Byron or an Allen might not be possible if we're out of slots.

As to the Caps fans - these are the hockeysfuture boards - anyone over 30 is seen as uninteresting, unless they fill a massive, immediate need on a clear contender.

Whatever deal happens, fans of the team getting Petry will think they overpaid and their fans will whine about not giving kids a chance. The thing is though, most management teams want a competitive team every year, so adding a guy so keep a team at least in the playoff discussion as long as possible is of interest, even when hardcore fans just don't see the use since they aren't winning Cups anyways.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Not a troll post, it's a disagreement. Didn't read the rest due to how you started. I said what I said and I stand by it.

Sure man, whatever helps you pretend there's no bias

 

[Djp]

I disagree. I would agree if Petry was showing signs of losing his skating and was overweight for body size but that's not the case. 4 season in a row with 40 pts or more and all of a sudden he is in massive decline cause he is drowning on a bad team this year at age 34?

I'm asking less than what the Canucks paid in the OEL trade. This is not an unreasonable ask for a smooth skating RD who is a legit top 4RD which are rare to acquire. 34-36/37 is not a massive concern like some are making it out to be. Like I said, if he was showing signs of skating decline and was heavy for his body size, I might agree but that is just not the reality of this situation.

If the Coyotes can move OEL who showed bigger decline issues at an earlier age, the Habs will get decent value for Petry this summer.

The Knights just signed the 34 year old Martinez for 3 years taking him to age 36. $5.25M in cap hit.

How old is he? He turns 35 befire the end of this year
he has 3 yrs at $6M+
hes forecast to be at best a 20 pt D at ES…assuming he maintains his level of play which I doubt.
Martinez is $1M per less and a full year less..big difference.

unless you retain a chunk you aren’t going to get anything worthwhile for him.

 

[Colezuki]

How old is he? He turns 35 befire the end of this year
he has 3 yrs at $6M+
hes forecast to be at best a 20 pt D at ES…assuming he maintains his level of play which I doubt.
Martinez is $1M per less and a full year less..big difference.

unless you retain a chunk you aren’t going to get anything worthwhile for him.

Could see a team hope for a giordano like finish but yeah agreed, unfortunately his play this year, couple with his age makes him a tough move.

 

[StephenPeat]

Looking at the Caps, they have two contracts expiring in Schultz and Kempny and they could use Petry? Habs offer a young LD on top and are willing to take a contract dump in Hagelin back.

Petry and Clague
for
Hagelin, Lapierre, and a 2024 2nd.

Horrible for the Caps. Please keep Petry.

 

[StephenPeat]

Looking at the Caps, they have two contracts expiring in Schultz and Kempny and they could use Petry? Habs offer a young LD on top and are willing to take a contract dump in Hagelin back.

Petry and Clague
for
Hagelin, Lapierre, and a 2024 2nd.

Also love the description “young LD” and not “recently picked up on waivers.”

 

[trick9]

Hell no.

 

[Rockomax]

I don't see why retaining would be necessary when his contract is reasonable. Also, retention slots are very useful, and this deadline we used all 3, I'd avoid using committing one to Petry for 3 years. That's 3 deadlines where a deal to rent out a Byron or an Allen might not be possible if we're out of slots.

As to the Caps fans - these are the hockeysfuture boards - anyone over 30 is seen as uninteresting, unless they fill a massive, immediate need on a clear contender.

Whatever deal happens, fans of the team getting Petry will think they overpaid and their fans will whine about not giving kids a chance. The thing is though, most management teams want a competitive team every year, so adding a guy so keep a team at least in the playoff discussion as long as possible is of interest, even when hardcore fans just don't see the use since they aren't winning Cups anyways.

Retaining may be necessary when you want to complete a transaction. Over the next couple of years, these 2M should be useless anyway. If that's what it takes to complete a transaction, you do it imo. Especially in the case of a player wanting out.

Also, everyone has its theory. Is this an outlier year for Petry? Is this the beginning of the end for him? There is legitimate concern about his current season. There is risk about holding on to him to begin next season and maybe confirm that he's on a steep decline. Petry is 34, not 28; so for all we know, maybe he's just not the same defensemen that he was just last year.

 

[TS Quint]

Don't need a reminder. I'm aware of the ins and outs of that trade. I'm asking for less futures in the Petry trade. Move on time. I rather talk to others. You can continue your Habs devalue narrative with someone else

I’m not devaluing the Habs. im Explaining the trade you are comparing your trade to. This has nothing to do with Petry. It’s not even close.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I’m not devaluing the Habs. im Explaining the trade you are comparing your trade to. This has nothing to do with Perry. It’s not even close.

You're right, it has nothing to do with Perry.