Proposal: Petry and Allen to the Stars

[Habs Halifax]

If the Stars let Klingberg walk, I can see Petry as a possible replacement. They appear that they can use Allen as well?

* I'd take a 1/2 year cap dump but not sure what the Stars would sent back. Other options are $1M retention on Petry (depending on the futures return package)

* Futures? TBD. Would the Stars move their mid 1st rounder? Not sure. What other prospects picks would you consider moving?

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[Chainshot]

...but where is the 2nd rounder? Come on, some traditions can not die. "Petry, Allen, and a 2nd" has to be the offer.

 

[Habs Halifax]

...but where is the 2nd rounder? Come on, some traditions can not die. "Petry, Allen, and a 2nd" has to be the offer.

Whatever happen to the "if you don't anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" tradition?

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

hard to know Petry's value last year he was amazing and lots of GMs would of been interested but this years its been really really bad so is it because hes family left or does he suck now personally i dont think he lost it but not a fan of hes contract atm so maybe he lands a 2nd


We need to keep Allen Price just missed a full year played a few games and already injured i dont think hes gonna last long

 

[Chainshot]

Whatever happen to the "if you don't anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" tradition?

Nearly 25 years at this forum and that would be new.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Nearly 25 years at this forum and that would be new.

Yeah, after all it's not private conversations. It's a group chat where anybody can jump in at any point.

Personally, I do see Petry and Allen fitting the Stars if they let Klingberg walk. What is the right trade value? Not sure but that's what the thread is created for.

I do see why the Stars are hesitating on giving Klingberg a massive contract.
Klingberg from age 30-37 at $8M (+/-)
vs
Petry from age 34-36/37 at $6.25M

To be honest, I think there is less risks with Petry with the term even at his age. Some are worried about the 34+ years but with me that applies to players who are actually showing signs of decline. If anybody has watched Petry this year, he is not in skating/mobility decline. It's a team fit problem. 4 seasons in a row of 40+ pts and I believe he will age well and remain a top 4RD with his term left. He's a good replacement on Klingberg IMO.

Allen added cause I also think the Stars need a goaltender. I think there is a fit but once again... the futures need to be discussed. I think I would do it straight up for the Stars mid 1st rounder. Might seem like a steep price to pay but Petry and Allen are not horrible assets. Very far from it

 

[Habs Halifax]

hard to know Petry's value last year he was amazing and lots of GMs would of been interested but this years its been really really bad so is it because hes family left or does he suck now personally i dont think he lost it but not a fan of hes contract atm so maybe he lands a 2nd


We need to keep Allen Price just missed a full year played a few games and already injured i dont think hes gonna last long

Habs don't need to keep Allen. One of Price or Allen will be traded this summer cause I do think we want Monty in the mix. Can't have all 3. So Allen is the likely one to be traded IMO. Price/Monty with Primeau there if you need him.

Petry's value has not fallen like some think it has. 4 seasons in a row of 40+ pts and meh production this year on a bad team where his skating/mobility is still there. He's got value and gas left.

I believe the Stars can use Petry and Allen and still have cap room left to go after other improvement. Habs can retain on one of them depending on the trade package return as well.

 

[franste Perreault]

If the Stars let Klingberg walk, I can see Petry as a possible replacement. They appear that they can use Allen as well?

* I'd take a 1/2 year cap dump but not sure what the Stars would sent back. Other options are $1M retention on Petry (depending on the futures return package)

* Futures? TBD. Would the Stars move their mid 1st rounder? Not sure. What other prospects picks would you consider moving?

Montreal can not do that. They need to keep Allen due to Carey Price injury.
Montreal will maybe move a goalie after the first 2 months of the next season. They need to know and see Price in the net and stay healthy

 

[Habs Halifax]

Montreal can not do that. They need to keep Allen due to Carey Price injury.
Montreal will maybe move a goalie after the first 2 months of the next season. They need to know and see Price in the net and stay healthy

I disagree. What you trying to do next year? Make the playoffs?

Price/Monty/Primeau is enough goalie depth in another rebuild/youth season where we shoot for another top 10 pick.

It's not that difficult to find another Hammond in season if Price goes down again.

 

[Boondock]

Whatever happen to the "if you don't anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" tradition?

It dies with the invent of the internet forum.

 

[Irie]

If the Stars let Klingberg walk, I can see Petry as a possible replacement. They appear that they can use Allen as well?

* I'd take a 1/2 year cap dump but not sure what the Stars would sent back. Other options are $1M retention on Petry (depending on the futures return package)

* Futures? TBD. Would the Stars move their mid 1st rounder? Not sure. What other prospects picks would you consider moving?

Cap probably doesn't work for Dallas.

Once the stars sign their RFAs, they likely only have 9 million in cap and only have 10 forwards under contract.

Petry and Allen would soak up all their available.cap and leave them 3 to 4 forwards short.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Cap probably doesn't work for Dallas.

Once the stars sign their RFAs, they likely only have 9 million in cap and only have 10 forwards under contract.

Petry and Allen would soak up all their available.cap and leave them 3 to 4 forwards short.

What RFA's get substantial raises? I already looked to some degree and I don't see major cap issues for the Stars. You'll have to quantify that with a bit more context.

* Petry is cheaper than Klingberg
* Allen can come with 50% retention if need be.

Are you saying the Stars can't afford to sign either of Klingberg or trade for Petry and Allen as a value contract in net is too much to fit in? Sorry, I don't see these problems. There is no way to spin this, if the Stars let Klingberg walk, they need a RD to replace him. This does not look like a team that wants to tank next year and do they have a replacement from within? You tell me.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Don’t see the stars trading their first for both guys.

 

[Irie]

What RFA's get substantial raises? I already looked to some degree and I don't see major cap issues for the Stars. You'll have to quantify that with a bit more context.

* Petry is cheaper than Klingberg
* Allen can come with 50% retention if need be.

Are you saying the Stars can't afford to sign either of Klingberg or trade for Petry and Allen as a value contract in net is too much to fit in? Sorry, I don't see these problems. There is no way to spin this, if the Stars let Klingberg walk, they need a RD to replace him. This does not look like a team that wants to tank next year and do they have a replacement from within? You tell me.

Robertson 8+
Oettinger 4+
Gurianov 3ish

 

[Habs Halifax]

Robertson 8+
Oettinger 4+
Gurianov 3ish

From what I can tell, that would be 17 players signed with about $9-10M left.

Petry + Allen (50% retention) = $7.7M. Any 1/2 year contract dump you can send back?

I think you might be a bit high with your projections. Roberston is a tricky one yes. Curious to see if they bridge or long term. The other two are the high numbers.

There is no way you can tell me that the Stars won't look to replace Klingberg on the top 4RD side. If Klingberg walks, there is a RD need no doubt.

 

[Irie]

From what I can tell, that would be 17 players signed with about $9-10M left.

Petry + Allen (50% retention) = $7.7M. Any 1/2 year contract dump you can send back?

I think you might be a bit high with your projections. Roberston is a tricky one yes. Curious to see if they bridge or long term. The other two are the high numbers.

There is no way you can tell me that the Stars won't look to replace Klingberg on the top 4RD side. If Klingberg walks, there is a RD need no doubt.

I'm not a stars fan, just going off comps and what my friends that are expect.

I think Gurianov may be closer to 2 than 3 due to covid and his down year, and it might be possible Oettinger gets a bridge slightly under 4, but I fully expect the stars to try to lock Robertson up long term and something comparably to the Suzuki deal.

As an outsider, my perspective is that with Benn, Seguin, Suter, and Pavelski, another 35 year old with term in Petry is the last thing they should be looking to add, but I will let Stars fans fight that battle.

I'm just giving you the cap numbers.

 

[John B]

Montreal can not do that. They need to keep Allen due to Carey Price injury.
Montreal will maybe move a goalie after the first 2 months of the next season. They need to know and see Price in the net and stay healthy

They could always take back Khudobin and/or resign Montembeault.

 

[BB88]

Don’t have a damm clue why Dallas would spend a 1st on Petry

 

[Boondock]

From what I can tell, that would be 17 players signed with about $9-10M left.

Petry + Allen (50% retention) = $7.7M. Any 1/2 year contract dump you can send back?

I think you might be a bit high with your projections. Roberston is a tricky one yes. Curious to see if they bridge or long term. The other two are the high numbers.

There is no way you can tell me that the Stars won't look to replace Klingberg on the top 4RD side. If Klingberg walks, there is a RD need no doubt.

The Stars have 14 players signed and $19.7 million in cap space.
Gurianov has a QO of roughly $3 - so that is an easy number to use
Robertson I was thinking more in the $6-$6.5 range, but with a ppg+ and 40 goals to follow up a Calder season I could be wrong
2 goalies will cost a minimum of $6 - I was thinking $4ish for Oettinger and $2ish for a vet back up.

I don't think there is anything crazy about the numbers I'm using so that would leave a total of $5.7 to fill out the rest of the roster (3 forwards and 2 D). I think it would be tight to add a $6.25 defender to that roster without having to gut roster depth.

I agree the Stars will be looking to add a RHD but I wonder if they will be in the market for a less expensive option such as Miller, DeHaan or Manson? Petry is much better than these guys but his cap and cost to acquire may make him a difficult target. I also don't see any real beneficial cap dumps outside the long term contracts of Benn and Seguin.

If cap was no issue, I think Petry and Allen for the Stars 1st is probably fair value and in positions that make sense for the Stars, but the cap gymnastics are the sticking point in my opinion.

 

[Dr Pepper]

If the Stars let Klingberg walk, I can see Petry as a possible replacement. They appear that they can use Allen as well?

* I'd take a 1/2 year cap dump but not sure what the Stars would sent back. Other options are $1M retention on Petry (depending on the futures return package)

* Futures? TBD. Would the Stars move their mid 1st rounder? Not sure. What other prospects picks would you consider moving?

What gives you that impression? Oettinger is locked in as their #1, and Wedgewood has been a damn fine backup since coming in at the deadline.

That said, he is a pending UFA, but given his ties to the team (close with Seguin) as well as his stellar performance thus far it wouldn't surprise me at all if Dallas re-signs him before July.

And the "Petry to Dallas" train has been rolling ever since Klingberg "asked for a trade", which never actually happened anyway.

I don't feel like Petry is the answer, and would hope Dallas looks elsewhere this summer.

Dallas hasn't traded a first round pick for a player in a very long time. At least ten years.

I can't imagine they'd change that for Jeff Petry OR Jake Allen.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Don’t have a damm clue why Dallas would spend a 1st on Petry

Or why they would have to.

 

[BlueOil]

dallas shouldn't want allen, i'd extend the same to petry but that's more about fit than talent

 

[Habs Halifax]

What gives you that impression? Oettinger is locked in as their #1, and Wedgewood has been a damn fine backup since coming in at the deadline.

That said, he is a pending UFA, but given his ties to the team (close with Seguin) as well as his stellar performance thus far it wouldn't surprise me at all if Dallas re-signs him before July.

And the "Petry to Dallas" train has been rolling ever since Klingberg "asked for a trade", which never actually happened anyway.

I don't feel like Petry is the answer, and would hope Dallas looks elsewhere this summer.

Dallas hasn't traded a first round pick for a player in a very long time. At least ten years.

I can't imagine they'd change that for Jeff Petry OR Jake Allen.

If Klingberg walks, who is added at RD? Or is there a replacement from within?

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Stars have 14 players signed and $19.7 million in cap space.
Gurianov has a QO of roughly $3 - so that is an easy number to use
Robertson I was thinking more in the $6-$6.5 range, but with a ppg+ and 40 goals to follow up a Calder season I could be wrong
2 goalies will cost a minimum of $6 - I was thinking $4ish for Oettinger and $2ish for a vet back up.

I don't think there is anything crazy about the numbers I'm using so that would leave a total of $5.7 to fill out the rest of the roster (3 forwards and 2 D). I think it would be tight to add a $6.25 defender to that roster without having to gut roster depth.

I agree the Stars will be looking to add a RHD but I wonder if they will be in the market for a less expensive option such as Miller, DeHaan or Manson? Petry is much better than these guys but his cap and cost to acquire may make him a difficult target. I also don't see any real beneficial cap dumps outside the long term contracts of Benn and Seguin.

If cap was no issue, I think Petry and Allen for the Stars 1st is probably fair value and in positions that make sense for the Stars, but the cap gymnastics are the sticking point in my opinion.

I thought it was $19.7M as well but with Bishop not on LTIR. Move him to LTIR and it's $24.6M.

I think the Stars can sign their RFA's and also add a top 4RD.

 

[BB88]

Or why they would have to.

That’s the point.

In no way is Petry returning a 1st. He’s more like a cap dump today