Peterborough Petes 2024-25 Season Thread, Part II
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OMEGARAZER
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When the referee making the call requested to call the game because they have a relative going into their HoF it's different apparently.
Parish has no business being on either powerplay lol. They give up more short handed chances each powerplay then they get offensive chances it’s pathetic
I'd rather Parish than Taylor...at least if Parish causes a turnover he'll make an effort to get back on D.
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Looks like we don't get to mark losing a tie game off the bingo card this time, close to it though.
Fastpace
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I agree
I am wondering, and they did not say, if the goalpost was off its mooring before Eliot push it with his skate. This would mean the post off before the shot was taken, or the referee was in process of blowing the play dead. That would be the only logical reasons, I wish the refs would spell out with more clarity why their review decisions were made, if only for the fans
OMEGARAZER
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It was not.
He was not, he didn't start to raise his arm till after the puck was in the net.
Fastpace
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You are right, the ref did have his arm down. Next, was the net off its mooring before the shot was taken, it would appear to be in the one from the top view. If we look at the top of the net corners, the one at the bottom of the screen, the corner shows partially to the left of redline in the blue paint. While the one at the top of the screen, the corner that came off shows it more to the right toward the inside of the net. I am wondering if this is what they saw, they would likely have better views, to me, I would have said a good goal, but they have other rules to follow
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Regardless if it was before the shot or not, this rule still exists. Even if they were to go with "it wasn't intentional" it's still a goal by the rules. Stonehouse has the puck and is about to shoot when Elliot pushes the net off its mooring.
Fastpace
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It appears the post was already off its mooring before Stonehouse even had the puck or Eliot's skate touch the goalpost
According to OHL rules, if the net is off its mooring significantly before a potential goal scoring situation, play will be stopped immediately and a "delay of game" penalty will be assessed to the responsible player on the team that dislodged the net, regardless of whether the goal was intentionally knocked off its moorings; a goal cannot be awarded in this scenario unless the situation falls under specific "awarded goal" rules where a defending player deliberately displaces the net to prevent a clear scoring opportunity with the goaltender pulled.
No goal allowed if net is off its mooring:
Generally, a goal cannot be awarded if the net is not properly secured on its moorings, even if the puck crosses the goal line
OMEGARAZER
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Did you watch the same thing as the rest of us? Stonehouse is stickhandling it before he even enters the overhead shot when Elliot hits the post.
Since it wasn't significantly before the opportunity this is moot, BUT, even if we go down this route, where was the delay of game penalty? Also, the rule (25.2, I posted it) specifically says "either deliberately or accidentally."
Fastpace
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If the net was off long before, did you see who actually did knocked off the net, I didn't. I agree, the goal should have counted, I am just trying to figure out why the call
OMEGARAZER
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It just wasn't off beforehand though... If it was, Elliot slides into the post and the net continues off its moorings with him. It didn't come off till he pushed off the post back toward the center of the crease.
This exact same scenario happened last year in the playoffs between London and Kitchener, and they awarded the goal to London. The puck never even entered the net the same way it did tonight for Peterborough.
It’s London rule book, we’re all just living in it.
It’s London rule book, we’re all just living in it.
There was a saying a few years back in Peterborough
that OHL stands for Ontario Hockey League Helps London.
This one imo shouldn’t have counted. I have no idea what’s the difference between that one and last nights
I don't want to beat this to death but given the circumstances I am surprised that the league would grant this request. My second thought is that as soon as the play was under review it was evident what the outcome would be no matter what the younger referees thoughts were he wasn't going to go against Hutchison's call.
That goal definitely should’ve counted last night as that was an error on the ref’s part. I agree leadership is lacking from the top down and changes need to be made. I don’t know any other team in any league that plays this style of hockey and expects wins or even goals. All they do is flip pucks out and then wait for the other team to attack and make everyone hold their breath. Not sure how the coach got a contract like he did. In the games the Pete’s have won you see them putting pressure on the other teams and not sitting back trying to protect a lead they usually never have. They should just hire a new PP coach all together, 19th in the league and can not even gain entry. Rye was once again solid last night. Moving on, Sarnia tonight should be a game where they can steal some points
NorthernVoice
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The answer to how he got the contract is this style isn't much different from what they used to win the OHL with, it's just dependent on game breakers like Othmann, Beck, Avon, Robertson, Hayes, Lockhart, Stillman etc who can be lethal on the counter attack when the defensive system creates turnovers.
I hate the system and hate the contract. The Petes will be a good defensive team under Wilson though when they get some growth and development. You can see the core of the future back end with Cameron, Ula, Gowan and Ladds all 08/07s.
I don't know if they have the future offensive game breakers on the roster. They have one future star in Fitzgerald who may be on pace to be better than anyone on that championship team but beyond that it's up in the air. Obviously they had hoped the offensive threats be farther along than they are given that they added three 07 born first round picks but there are degrees of questions around all of Young, Taylor and Addy. I still think the first two will be strong contributors. It's less certain with Addy and McCallum has regressed so much offensively this season, his future fit looks a bit unsure as well.
Which backs my point. All these guys were brought in and made the championship happen, it’s not like the coaches really had a whole lot to do besides say go. Contracts like his should be awarded to coaches that actually develop players not make them standing foosball players lined up in a 1-1-3 in hopes that the other team makes an error. Feel kinda bad for the offensive creative players that come here and look bad because they don’t get to play the game that got them to this point, especially when it’s really only a four year showcase
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Yep, I give most of the credit for the championship to Oke rather than Wilson.
So far the past offensive players have spoken highly of Wilson but for a Beck or Othmann or type, having that strong defensive edge to their game will be necessary at the pro level, they're two way type players, plus they had already been drafted. In some ways Wilson can probably work well to finish off the development of an offensive player who has been drafted and needs to round out his game.
For developing a pure offensive talent - say Nick Lardis for example, getting away from Wilson's system is a huge benefit.
