They have 3 months, 50+ practices and 30+ games to develop offensive chemistry before the playoffs start. On paper and with one more top 6 forward added the Petes will be fine.
Peterborough Petes 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)
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OMG67
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They will be fine. But, will they be fine compared to NB, OTT and BAR? That’s the question.
There is not a question that the Petes will be a good team and in a normal season, they‘d probably only need to stack up against one team. This year? Three teams To measure agaisnt. Two of them haven’t done anything yet and are armed for bear.
JP Plante is tweeting the 67;s are in on two big names not named Shane Wright. One forward and one D-Man and neither seem to be OAs which means those two guys plus an OA. That‘s if they stop there.
This is the bottom six, perhaps minus one of VanVolsen or Dezoete or Purdeller?
Panwar-Meelee-Stillman
VanVolsen/Purdeller-Dubois-Dezoete/Purdeller
It’s outstanding imo.
I guess the ‘67s are pooched then. I just don’t know what else to say
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I mean yeah I agree. Adding some fire power will be just what they need to help them compete with NB and Ottawa. I think they’ll be fine too.
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How is Stillman on the 3rd line?
The top 5 right now in no particular order are:
Stillman
Othmann
Lockhart
Avon
Stillman
You could put Lardis in the top 6 and drop Stillman to 3rd line when they add a centre, granted, but they may need to use Lardis to get that key centre to make it an elite first line. Either that or JVV. If they want an elite centre, they will need to compete with other teams for the player so it is unlikely they get an elite centre unless it is an OA for less than a good young player plus their four remaining picks. Melee and Dezote aren’t likely to move that needle much. That means either compromise on the quality of the player coming in or compromise on the players going out.
If the 67’s add two forwards which is reasonably likely, their 3rd and 4th lines would be:
Beck-Tolnai-Gerrior
Barlas-Gardiner-Quick/Kelly
***and that is assuming Foster and Dever are used in deals. If they trade Marrelli and keep Foster, that puts two projected 30 goal scorers on the 4th line.
Top 2 lines (projected)
Pinelli-Rohrer-Boucher
Hayes-Harrison-Stonehouse
I’m not saying Ottawa will do these deals but you have to assume something like this is likely to happen in some manner. The Petes may project to line up well but to suggest even for a second that they have some sort of monster bottom six when Ottawa could roll this out is just silly. Beck and Tolnai are both 70 point players easy. Gardiner is paced at 30 goals as the 4th line centre.
That isn’t even looking at NB who I also think line up nicely against Peterborough.
Again, I don’t understand how you can pump the Petes tires this heavily. Good team for sure but they lack the assets to truly do any damage at the deadline without using key players. Even their two 2nd rounders are lessor valued as 2025 picks.
We get it, your teams great and ours is no good. Mind going back to your thread to gloat about the 67s?
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We are discussing why the Petes should wait to see what unfolds before mindlessly adding players needlessly. If you want a cheerleader thread that only pumps the Petes tires with no deviation other than discussing how awesome the Petes are then start one. Otherwise, sit back, relax, and let the adults in the room have the real discussions with proper analysis backing up their viewpoints Regarding what the Petes should do and the realistic ways they could do what they want if they choose to do it anyway.
Othmann scored 50 goals and 97 points last year. Robertson scored 40 last year. Lockheart, Avon and Stillman are all very good players. The Pete’s haven’t played to their potential. If these players, plus another quality centre, catch fire I think it’s silly to not see it as two elite lines that can do damage.
I’m assuming you’re afraid of what this team is capable of or you wouldn’t be so obsessed with putting them down in this thread.
Yep. Petes are also 2-2 against Ottawa this year and have handed them 2 of their 6 losses in regulation.
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I think Petes fans are aware that the forwards cannot be judged by point production alone. If you watch the Petes, for better or worse, Coach Wilson has the forwards playing a defensively minded game with a lot of dumping and chasing with short shifts. I'm not a huge fan of it and I would like to see them work on systems that promoted sustained offensive pressure, back door passes, etc. We do need a defensman that has top level puck handling skills because our current guys seem to be cursed with losing the puck through bounces and misplays often at the other teams' blue line.
Your posts have a horrible odour of Ottawa arrogance. We don’t give a rats a$$ about the picks or players Ottawa has to out bid us. Go discuss it with other Ottawa fans on the Ottawa thread
The Petes and Oke will react to what's going on around the league as the deadline approaches.
This includes how strong NB, Ottawa and Barrie look, who else is still available and what the prices are.
Oke won't blow his brains out unless it's viable. But he also is not going to just stand pat because they don't have a chance "on paper".
How much will the prices drop on Morrison, White, Hayes, Hardie, Keane, Jesus, etc. by deadline day?
We will wait and see.....with so many variables, it's just hard to see clearly what will happen.
This includes how strong NB, Ottawa and Barrie look, who else is still available and what the prices are.
Oke won't blow his brains out unless it's viable. But he also is not going to just stand pat because they don't have a chance "on paper".
How much will the prices drop on Morrison, White, Hayes, Hardie, Keane, Jesus, etc. by deadline day?
We will wait and see.....with so many variables, it's just hard to see clearly what will happen.
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The OP suggested the Petes already have an ELITE first line. That is not true. Then adding an elite Centre gives them two lines that were elite. That is not accurate.
If the Petes add an Elite centre,t hey will have one elite line followed by one that likely averages 70 points each. That is what I stated. That is not significantly different than other top teams, especially after the other top teams finish their acquisitions.
As a comparison, I used Ottawa but I could have used North Bay as well.
If the Petes make a deal to acquire a centre, they are a better team. They are even a top team. The question is whether they will be better than Ottawa, North Bay and Barrie after those three teams are done with their trades.
My Original point was it would be wise for the Petes to wait to see what the other top teams do to ensure the moves they make do in fact leap frog them ahead of their competition. My assertion is that is Barrie does get Clarke back as well as sign Sale (Import) as is rumoured, then add three players, it won’t matter what Peterborough does which potentially sets up a situation where Lardis and JVV are wasted for no added benefit.
This is not rocket science. The Petes have not burned a lot of assets to get where they are now. They aren’t committed to the point they cannot adjust their strategy.
And for the record, Ottawa ALSO NEEDS TO READ THE MARKET. They have a young team wth some really good graduating players but if they have to trade Foster, Marrelli, Dever, seven 2nds and nine 3rds jsut to keep pace with Barrie then I would suggest readjusting the plan as well. This is not a biased take. Barrie and their potential for damage is scary no matter what team is making decisions. They are a .600% team right now and could add a dramatic number of assets easily. Two of which would cost them nothing!
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If Petes do trade it will be players off the roster for older players. Thats all they can do. If they re in, then have to do it. Could bring in three OAs for three younger players. Issue will depend on what teams are selling, and depending on who, there may be too many valuable OAs out there for spots available......meaning market may drop come deadline day.
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Another decisive win without Othmann and now two in a row without Zanetti.. Maybe the Petes had some luck in this one with Kitchener losing one of their top defensemen early in the game on a questionable slew foot call.
Also Robertson's goal (his first or second one) was a lucky one , he was lying flat on the ice behind the Kitchener net and swung his stick in desperation and it then bounced off a Ranger skate and in the net. We'll take it. The Petes have shown over and over that they can absorb countless attacks from opposing teams and still win games. Helps to have solid goaltending and guys like Spearing who block shots.
Also Robertson's goal (his first or second one) was a lucky one , he was lying flat on the ice behind the Kitchener net and swung his stick in desperation and it then bounced off a Ranger skate and in the net. We'll take it. The Petes have shown over and over that they can absorb countless attacks from opposing teams and still win games. Helps to have solid goaltending and guys like Spearing who block shots.
So this?!
What a game for that line……11 points between them and they swept the 3 stars!
Bring on Oshawa
They must have been reading all the silly posts from the Ottawa fan before the game.So this?!
What a game for that line……11 points between them and they swept the 3 stars!
Bring on Oshawa
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To add to my summary of last night's game, Guo played very well and is showing signs of being a complete game sort of player. Not overly physical but a smart player along the boards and rarely coughs up the puck. Guo is not flashy but his role on the PP is solid and handles the puck well as seen on Robertson's tip in goal.
Sztuska clearly a solid back-up , and with Guo's improvement with more ice time along with the success of the first line, we can be a bit patient with what we need to add going forward. Most of us want a good puck-moving defenseman and seeing Lleyton Moore last night I wonder why we didn't go after him? The Oshawa factor likely.......
Sztuska clearly a solid back-up , and with Guo's improvement with more ice time along with the success of the first line, we can be a bit patient with what we need to add going forward. Most of us want a good puck-moving defenseman and seeing Lleyton Moore last night I wonder why we didn't go after him? The Oshawa factor likely.......
Not a bad game for the “not elite whatsoever” line!So this?!
What a game for that line……11 points between them and they swept the 3 stars!
Bring on Oshawa
Go Petes Go
I’m not exactly sure what OMG67 meant by elite line, but thought that a trio that can be considered 3rd to 6th best must it.
There are plenty of excellent duos, but for trios choose between the Sting & Battalion top lines imo; then, …arguably Avon-Robertson-Lockhart?
Certainly better than Pinelli-Rohrer-Boucher imo.
There are plenty of excellent duos, but for trios choose between the Sting & Battalion top lines imo; then, …arguably Avon-Robertson-Lockhart?
Certainly better than Pinelli-Rohrer-Boucher imo.
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I actually said that Ottawa would have three lines like Peterborough’s second line and a fourth line that would be most productive in the league if they added two forwards. They’d have a third line relatively indistinguishable from their first from a production perspective.
I consider an elite line as having at least one player that scores 100 points, one player with at least 40 goals and a third complimentary player that rides shoot gun with the line.
When you don’t have a player that is on pace for 40 goals and don’t have a player on pace for 100 points, the team does not have an elite first line.
If you want to throw around the word “elite” for lines that score a combined 70 goals then the league would be chalk full of elite lines.
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