Player Discussion Peter Laviolette

zlev

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Exactly, how many coaches can one group of players have? This would be 4 in less than 5 years if they fired Laviolette. They haven’t been a legitimately good 5v5 team for any of them, which is where a coach would have the most impact. At some point the blame must be put on the players.

Laviolette keeps trotting out the same losers over and over just to get pummeled. he could limit their ice time if he was able to recognize how shit they are. i agree that the team isn't good enough but there has to be some blame put on the coaches for not recognizing certain players getting dummied every time they step on the ice. for instance, on what planet did Mika deserve to be out there for the 6on5 today?
 

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It’s the players and the way the team is constructed. Special teams and goaltending have covered a lot of their issues over the years.

Yeah but management have been happy to employ coaches to play the team like that. It's been a short cut to playoff hockey without bothering to create an actual TEAM. That's why I've been blasting the coaches over the years. They've been happy enough to be bench coaches and roll the lines, but they've been cheating on the fundamentals and just hoped Igor or Panarin or Fox or Kreider would come up with a big save or a big goal.

Cooper in Tampa actually build a team with solid foundations that took Tampa to two cups. That's the difference. He didn't float along on top of a country club collecting a fat pay check.
 

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It isn’t entirely coaching. The vets are weak willed. We all know this.

That being said, he is making lines and pairings that we know don’t work. That HE KNOWS they don’t work. That he is told that the analytics show they don’t work. He doesn’t care. He’s got the ghost of Mika playing 19 minutes. I don’t blame Mika for that. That’s the coach. Mika missing the empty net when he shouldn’t be on the ice is icing on the cake. Lavi is lost. Hire someone young and analytics based.
Drury got to go also.
Send them both home in a rusted out rental van with one seat
The sooner the better.
Like I have said before 84 going on 85 years with one cup to show is disgraceful and disrespectful to us fans
 
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Laviolette keeps trotting out the same losers over and over just to get pummeled. he could limit their ice time if he was able to recognize how shit they are. i agree that the team isn't good enough but there has to be some blame put on the coaches for not recognizing certain players getting dummied every time they step on the ice. for instance, on what planet did Mika deserve to be out there for the 6on5 today?
Lavi has worn out his welcome. Drury has worn out his welcome
Mika has worn out his welcome. Miller and Trouba are Garbage
I have seen enough of that 2OA bust Kaako. Smith and Cuyle are the only ones worth watching. Panarin plays hard most of the time.
The only time discipline would happen if you walk on the country clubs logo in the dressing room
 

haveandare

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This isn’t his fault but imo it’s also the coaches job to help the team figure shit like this out and he’s not doing that.

It’s clear who isn’t caring or trying on the ice. Show them the video, tell them results are one thing and you can’t help if you’re in a rut to some degree but you absolutely have to try and care and if you don’t you aren’t playing. If he’s already done that, then he has to sit those guys or give them absolutely minimal minutes until they can muster a care.
 

NickyFotiu

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Often in the past I could figure out a fairly simple problem and a possible solution. With this group? I honestly do not know anything simple.

Mika, CK, Fox, Trouba, Lindy, KK, Kam are all players that have positives but also flaws. Its like a puzzle with no edge pieces.
 

Jaromir Jagr

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Resign, fired all the same
He lost this team. Need someone like Berube, who will kick them in their collective asses


Give them a ticket to the pressbox, sit their butts, give them 4th line minutes
They can't give half the team 4th line minutes or benching. There's cap implications, there's issues with market value if you do that, etc. I doubt Lavi would even be allowed to if we wanted. Either way, they'd get destroyed anyway even by doing that.

And yea, you're right, he does seem to have lost the team. But this team doesn't keep getting new coaches. TBH, the fact they tanked Gallant, after Tanking Quinn only a year+ before was disgusting. Now they get to tank another? Gimme a break. It's time to move on from these players and let the young guys lead.

Unlike last rebuild, we have some great pieces in place to move forward. They can rebuild on the fly by supplementing the new core with good, veteran pieces that actually play decent. Replacing Trouba and Lindgren alone may very well make them a bubble playoff team or better.
 
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They can't give half the team 4th line minutes or benching. There's cap implications, there's issues with market value if you do that, etc. I doubt Lavi would even be allowed to if we wanted. Either way, they'd get destroyed anyway even by doing that.

And yea, you're right, he does seem to have lost the team. But this team doesn't keep getting new coaches. TBH, the fact they tanked Gallant, after Tanking Quinn only a year+ before was disgusting. Now they get to tank another? Gimme a break. It's time to move on from these players and let the young guys lead.

Unlike last rebuild, we have some great pieces in place to move forward. They can rebuild on the fly by supplementing the new core with good, veteran pieces that actually play decent. Replacing Trouba and Lindgren alone may very well make them a bubble playoff team or better.

This is a thing too. The political side of hockey between coach and upper management, to include owners, etc. Benching, demoting vets and starters you have payed millions for can't be easy at all, and I'm sure that call comes more than just the coach.
 
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Nickmo82

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<Insert generic sports coach> keeps trotting out the same losers over and over just to get pummeled.
This is pretty much every coach in every sport in the world, to be fair. Put the "best guys" on the ice/field/pitch and hope.

Those that proactively adjust and try new things are a rare breed.
 

McRanger92

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This thread is long overdue. I have mixed feelings on Lavi at the moment.

I do not like how slow he has been to adjust to the young guys like Kakko, Cuylle, Schneider needing more ice time. Especially with how disastrous Zibanejad and Trouba’s play has been. And the fact that he hasn’t benched them shows a lack of accountability with the players and a lack of communication with Drury.

That being said, the Drury/Trouba stuff was definitely not Lavi’s fault. And firing him does absolutely nothing for us aside from give the players the upper hand in this power struggle. There’s not 5 coaches better than him in the league. He is coaching a team of coach killers. I think his steady hand and not overreacting to what amounts to an early season swoon will probably prove to be smart in the long run. I think the Devils game is really important. Turning point of the season in the early going. He needs to have them ready to spill blood.
 
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Regardless of problems with the team's core, leadership, drop-offs in individual performance(s), etc, doesn't it seem like a firing of Laviolette (and staff) is imminent?

Based on the same team-wide flaws in execution like failures to defend man-to-man, poor and/or late reads leading to copious odd-man rushes, etc. Fundamentals that shouldn't be an issue. And based on the team's downward trajectory. The team has been generally performing worse over the season, and even during the losing stretch, it seems like they're trending even further downward.

Yes, there are players on the roster that the team might be better off trading, and yes improved performance, if any, may be brief with a new coach. But it seems most likely that the coaching staff is the first domino to fall. If the Rangers attempt to salvage their season, they need to start now -- never mind whether they should or not, they might try -- and if the Rangers do begin a "retool" or "rebuild" phase, it starts a little later, maybe closer the trade deadline and continues in the offseason. I think it's reasonable to assume the coaching staff wouldn't be present for that process, and would be gone before that gets underway.

This is a familiar cycle for these Rangers to be going through, that is true, and it's also a familiar cycle for Peter Laviolette in his long career. I like Laviolette, but the Rangers need to change, and historically, the coaching staff changing is the first step, even if it's not the last step.
 
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If Kakko isnt traded in the next 24 hours, I will be extremely pissed off.

You can’t healthy scratch Kakko when you ought to be scratching Zibanejad, Kreider, and countless others first.
 

bl02

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If Kakko isnt traded in the next 24 hours, I will be extremely pissed off.

You can’t healthy scratch Kakko when you ought to be scratching Zibanejad, Kreider, and countless others first.
those guys are never getting scratched. Cuylle/Berard just played their hearts out and sat the final 3 minutes of a 3-2 game
 
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those guys are never getting scratched. Cuylle/Berard just played their hearts out and sat the final 3 minutes of a 3-2 game

Let's be little real here. Berard got lucky on a pick up and that shift by Cuylle was the only net positive forecheck shift. It was a whole lot of nothing for 58 mins our of a 60 min game for us. However, I will agree that you put the hot sticks out there especially after goals.
 

bl02

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Let's be little real here. Berard got lucky on a pick up and that shift by Cuylle was the only net positive forecheck shift. It was a whole lot of nothing for 58 mins our of a 60 min game for us. However, I will agree that you put the hot sticks out there especially after goals.
not the only game. Been happening for quite a bit now. Keep rewarding the guys that don't deserve it.
 
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ReddestRum

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not the only game. Been happening for quite a bit now. Keep rewarding the guys that don't deserve it.

I agree. Surprised Zib sat out for a bit, but Lavy puts him in cold for no reason when the kids just scored.
 

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