Olympics: Peter Forsberg

[jj cale]

Well, it's kind of like MMA where the various styles of play have really coalesced into a pretty singular style that is not unfamiliar to anyone.

Every nation can play physically, skate, play team defence, forecheck, etc.

Not to mention, the NHL exposes players from all over the world to audiences.

It used to be a clash of styles and philosophies but it's really not like that anymore.

Absolutely, it's all been meshed into one now.

Modern hockey has become one big melting pot of styles, I think it was a natural progression that was bound to happen with the collapse of the Soviet Union.

 

[JackSlater]

Have to laugh at this thread. If Forsberg's comments were attributed to Cherry and the nationalities were reversed there would be rampant clutching of pearls (humourously one poster has already brought in the impact on children) and screams of bigotry and racism. The racism cry is my favourite for its obvious ridiculousness. Forsberg just happens to have that twinkle in his eye though, so that's that. Good on both of them for at least providing something different.

The cries about Canada's desperate dirty play, knocking out Swedish teeth, tying Swedish skate laces together, pillaging Swedish villages etc. make me laugh as well. Such a lack of awareness at all. I may as well spout off mindless memes about chicken Swedes, Swedish players being too scared to take the ice or Swedes hiding behind their mothers' skirts. There is an element of truth to such claims (regarding both Canada and Sweden) but to state them at face value and expect them to be taken seriously is pretty funny.

 

[Jablkon]

I have nothing but admiration for the Czechs (and Slovaks) and what they did in 1998 - they beat our best fair and square when it counted.

They also put up some World Championships and World Junior tournaments Gold medals around the same time.

At that stage in history, they were the best hockey nation on Earth. Hasek certainly is the best goalie of all time.

Didn't last, and I'm wondering whether they'll ever challenge for that title again.

If there was a negative view of the Czechs, it was probably that we'd see some great offensive players in the NHL play extremely conservatively and passively in the Czech system which emphasized team defence. We felt that they weren't able to really use their skills to their potential, but hey, it was effective a lot of the time.

The other Czech team I really admired was the 2004 World Cup team where Jagr was a beast in that semi-final game. I think it was Lecavalier who won it in OT but that was a hell of a battle.

When Gretzky said his "they hate us" speech he was really speaking from the fact that everyone wanted to see Canada lose - kind of like the New England Patriots.

No one actually hated them on a personal level, it was more about rivalry and the desire to beat Canada.

It's funny to see people saying that people are misinterpreting Forsberg's comments wrong because they don't speak Swedish, when I've seen people over the years do the same thing with respect to Gretzky's comments in Salt Lake City.

Well, true is that team Canada reputation in that times wasnt that good in Europe for more reasons so I can not deny that some or more fans maybe took Canada looses with bit of maliciousness. But it wasnt the case of that individual games against czechs. Our tactic was always to take the stress off from the players and never push them to favourite role (that was probably because of 96WC).Like seriously this aspect was one of the most important and also heavily discussed in newspapers etc before almost every tourney. So we never pushed it to level that Canada is our rival and we have to beat them /despite we knew we were capable of it/.Thats the reason I didnt get that interview. But I see he perceived it in regards to all teams and saw it from his own perspective. We just didnt understand to it. Sure we barely even watched some NHL games except some playoffs in that times and never got to opinions of canadian fans.

Thanks for evaluation. There is currently no such braintrust and conditions in CZ to take hockey program to its previous level but we will hopefully be around. 2004 was hell of the game. Still happy that I stayed awake that night Sure we were masters of hooking. These games from 98 look crazy now under current terms

 

[Jayan]

Not sure what the hell is going on but he’s on Swedish TV right now being an expert on soccer

 

[Lampedampe]

Have to laugh at this thread. If Forsberg's comments were attributed to Cherry and the nationalities were reversed there would be rampant clutching of pearls (humourously one poster has already brought in the impact on children) and screams of bigotry and racism. The racism cry is my favourite for its obvious ridiculousness. Forsberg just happens to have that twinkle in his eye though, so that's that. Good on both of them for at least providing something different.

The cries about Canada's desperate dirty play, knocking out Swedish teeth, tying Swedish skate laces together, pillaging Swedish villages etc. make me laugh as well. Such a lack of awareness at all. I may as well spout off mindless memes about chicken Swedes, Swedish players being too scared to take the ice or Swedes hiding behind their mothers' skirts. There is an element of truth to such claims (regarding both Canada and Sweden) but to state them at face value and expect them to be taken seriously is pretty funny.

Oh look another one that hasn't seen the interview and obviously will never be able to do so since there are no full english translation available. Another example of how clueless some people are

I will won't go over what he actually said again, read the thread. There are not cries about Canada 'cheating' in this thread, so dunno where you're getting this from.

 

[Signupnow]

It always seemed to me that North Americans do don't always understand cheeky comments and sarcastic jokes as well as other nationalities. Everything is literal it seems. However peter said that tot bring out some laughs and at the same time praised their winning mentality I will explain later like I do to my 5 year old niece when i got more time as many here seem upset

 

[21]

Forsberg is more North American in his way thinking hockey than European, that's for sure, refreshing. Playing with the legendary winners in Colorado obviously changed him and I don't blame him. ;-)

Kimmo Timonen is right in his comments and Peter Forsberg may even admit this himself (but he would never say it officially). ;-)

About Canada, yes, it's true, he admitted hating them but he also displayed respect by saying:

"When I look at the team roster, I don't always think it looks good. But they are still always there at the end (of the tournaments). They have winning instincts that make them refuse to lose. They always find a way: let be if they outplay the opponent, if whining and running over people. They try to find a way to win the match, "he says, continuing. "Sometimes I defeated Canada but also lost a few World Cup finals. Never count out Canada.

His advice for the Swedish women team vs Finland was:"- If we are going to defeat Finland we need to be tougher on their best players. Go in and play dirty, talk to them. Sometimes you need to run over somebody. Step in and run over their best players."

My comment:
About Canada I think there is some kind of love and hate relation between Forsberg and Canada because he truly loves the North American way of playing and thinking hockey. Sometimes when I hear Forsberg talk about Canada it is like him talking about himself and the type of hockey he played. ;-) If there would have been a copy of himself he would have hated this player too. The main reason why he hates Canada is probably because he is still feeling the pain over some lost games. We all know that Forsberg hated loosing just like the other legends in Colorado back then. Forsberg on the same line as Claude Lemieux (genius move by the coach).... well.... they were hated and considered dirty (they were dirty) but they also gave it all and winning a lot.

His advices/tactics for the Swedish women team vs Finland was fun beause you almost never say that in Sweden, recommending running over people on the ice. (This is very "un-Swedish") Also in women hockey in general you don't see that kind of physical play a lot?

“He had just so much skill,” said Avs coach and former teammate Patrick Roy. “But what I liked about Peter so much was his will. Peter thought he could beat everybody one-on-one, and he was a little stubborn with this at times, holding on to the puck. He was special.”

Former linemate Claude Lemieux echoed Roy’s thoughts.
“He was the best position player I ever played with,” said Lemieux. “His skill level was unbelievable, off the charts. But he also had the heart of a champion. Whatever it took to win, Peter would do it. That’s what made him great.”

 

[Asiantuntija]

Forsberg can shut his mouth. Guy says thinks like that, but plays dirty as f*** and doesn't even have balls to take fights.

 

[21]

Forsberg can shut his mouth. Guy says thinks like that, but plays dirty as **** and doesn't even have balls to take fights.

You are from Finland, right?

 

[Asiantuntija]

You are from Finland, right?

Exactly.

 

[mjlee]

Kimmo Timonen is right in his comments and Peter Forsberg may even admit this himself (but he would never say it officially). ;-)

Actually Peter maintained that Finland plays dirty but also added that Kimmo was right that maybe he wasn't the right person to point that out.

 

[21]

Not sure what the hell is going on but he’s on Swedish TV right now being an expert on soccer

Forsberg is a huge Tottenham fan. :-D

It was a bit funny when talking about Arsenal and Arsene Wenger, Forsberg wants Wenger to stay because he thinks he is a poor coach (thus good for Tottenham). ;-)

 

[JackSlater]

Oh look another one that hasn't seen the interview and obviously will never be able to do so since there are no full english translation available. Another example of how clueless some people are

I will won't go over what he actually said again, read the thread. There are not cries about Canada 'cheating' in this thread, so dunno where you're getting this from.

Your post is quite pointless given that:

1. Your first paragraph has nothing to do with what I said.

2. Your second paragraph (if I understand it despite grammatical error) is factually wrong.

If you can't follow the content of a post that's fine, but there is no need to misrepresent what was said. Forsberg made his comments and there is not a problem there. If things were reversed though we would see whining and crying from some people who defend Forsberg - that's obvious. These whiny sorts would then resort to the claims about Canada cheating to win through physical play or whatever other means, as seen in this thread already.

 

[Lampedampe]

Your post is quite pointless given that:

1. Your first paragraph has nothing to do with what I said.

2. Your second paragraph (if I understand it despite grammatical error) is factually wrong.

If you can't follow the content of a post that's fine, but there is no need to misrepresent what was said. Forsberg made his comments and there is not a problem there. If things were reversed though we would see whining and crying from some people who defend Forsberg - that's obvious. These whiny sorts would then resort to the claims about Canada cheating to win through physical play or whatever other means, as seen in this thread already.

You quite clearly were unable to follow what i said in my post.

My issue is with your statement about outcry if the roles were reversed. And please don't be childish and dance around what I'm trying to tell you. Your post is flawed at it's very core since you state 'if roles were reversed' without having access to a English version of his full statement, read my previous posts of you want to know why Forsberg stated he hates Team Canada.

Your commenting and giving an opinion on something there's no way you can fully comprehend.

Edit: And just to make this painfully clear, no one in Sweden would cry if Cherry said that he hated team Sweden because they always find a way to win important games, absolutely no one. And thus your comments about reversed roles are so pointless and stupid that I find no words for it. Just like many other Canadian posters who state the same thing without being capable of watching and understanding the clip.

 

[JackSlater]

You quite clearly were unable to follow what i said in my post.

My issue is with your statement about outcry if the roles were reversed. And please don't be childish and dance around what I'm trying to tell you. Your post is flawed at it's very core since you state 'if roles were reversed' without having access to a English version of his full statement, read my previous posts of you want to know why Forsberg stated he hates Team Canada.

Your commenting and giving an opinion on something there's no way you can fully comprehend.

Edit: And just to make this painfully clear, no one in Sweden would cry if Cherry said that he hated team Sweden because they always find a way to win important games, absolutely no one. And thus your comments about reversed roles are so pointless and stupid that I find no words for it. Just like many other Canadian posters who state the same thing without being capable of watching and understanding the clip.

I understand what you said, and thus I correctly deemed it pointless. Unless the posters in this thread who translated what Forsberg said have been lying, I am confident that I understand what Forsberg said. I don't think that his statements are so profound that feeble minded North Americans are unable to comprehend their inherent wisdom. I have no problem with what he said. It's better than the same old platitudes. If you think that attributing those comments to Cherry and switching the nationalities wouldn't draw ample complaints and whining then I have to assume that you are pretty unfamiliar with the reactions that Cherry draws from some corners.

The backhanded compliment (or perhaps complimentary backhand) is not unfamiliar to most people. Often, when people dislike the speaker they tend to focus on the backhand rather than the compliment. This is true of Canadians and I'm pretty sure of basically everyone else on Earth. Crying and whining about Cherry's comments from various different groups seem to indicate this as well.

 

[Lampedampe]

I understand what you said, and thus I correctly deemed it pointless. Unless the posters in this thread who translated what Forsberg said have been lying, I am confident that I understand what Forsberg said. I don't think that his statements are so profound that feeble minded North Americans are unable to comprehend their inherent wisdom. I have no problem with what he said. It's better than the same old platitudes. If you think that attributing those comments to Cherry and switching the nationalities wouldn't draw ample complaints and whining then I have to assume that you are pretty unfamiliar with the reactions that Cherry draws from some corners.

The backhanded compliment (or perhaps complimentary backhand) is not unfamiliar to most people. Often, when people dislike the speaker they tend to focus on the backhand rather than the compliment. This is true of Canadians and I'm pretty sure of basically everyone else on Earth. Crying and whining about Cherry's comments from various different groups seem to indicate this as well.

As far as I'm concerned Cherry has never said anything similar to what Forsberg said. While I have to admit that I never pay attention Cherry, the few interviews I have seen about European players there's usually no compliment involved. I myself could care less what Cherry says, he's an act and nothing more.

 

[MoistDadBod]

True, but he did say they were whiners. But as you said, very much tongue in cheek, as was his Finland comments. Just fun with a commentator who isn't afraid to say what he thinks. And Forsberg has always said what he thinks. Which is refreshing.

Nearly every hockey player I've ever played with, from every country and every hockey fan-base I've engaged with are a bunch of f***ing whiners. Myself included. Everyone is getting jobbed all the time according to them. It's the human condition.

 

[Chimpradamus]

1) Alot of people don't understand sarcasm and dark humour. It's a cultural thing. Finns certainly understand it, the British understand it, Swedes understand it. Americans certainly don't understand it, as for Canadians, I'm not sure, but as they are so close culturally to Scandinavians, they should be able to.

2) Forsberg respects Canada by saying he hates them (as he hates to lose and Canada usually wins).

Is this twitter or a hockey forum? Having guys like Forsberg instead of some suit and tie, politically correct moron is refreshing.

 

[jj cale]

1) Alot of people don't understand sarcasm and dark humour. It's a cultural thing. Finns certainly understand it, the British understand it, Swedes understand it. Americans certainly don't understand it, as for Canadians, I'm not sure.

2) Forsberg respects Canada by saying he hates them (as he hates to lose and Canada usually wins).

Is this twitter or a hockey forum? Having guys like Forsberg instead of some suit and tie, politically correct moron is refreshing.

Excellent!!

Then guys like you should have absolutely no problem with a guy like cherry when he goes off rail berating Euro players then.

Glad you "get it" and are willing to play along. Thanks for being a sport about it all.

 

[Chimpradamus]

Excellent!!

Then guys like you should have absolutely no problem with a guy like cherry when he goes off rail berating Euro players then.

Glad you "get it" and are willing to play along. Thanks for being a sport about it all.

It depends. Some things Cherry says are fine. Some things he has said are questionable. But, those things also have to be taken in an historical perspective, when they were said and the context. If Canada wants him, fine by me. I can understand he's entertaining, compared to that there were two suits and ties saying neutral things about everything. That would be really boring and no one would watch it.

So yeah, I'm fine with Cherry, hockey isn't life and death. I can understand Canadians want colourful characters, especially in the era of political correctness, which is killing the diversity they want to bring in some absurd doublespeak. I can certainly understand his suits, because why the hell not?

Even if I also have ridiculed him in the past, I can understand him. He has adapted.

 

[jj cale]

It depends. Some things Cherry says are fine. Some things he has said are questionable. But, those things also have to be taken in an historical perspective, when they were said and the context. If Canada wants him, fine by me. I can understand he's entertaining, compared to that there were two suits and ties saying neutral things about everything. That would be really boring and no one would watch it.

So yeah, I'm fine with Cherry, hockey isn't life and death. I can understand Canadians want colourful characters, especially in the era of political correctness, which is killing the diversity they want to bring in some absurd doublespeak. I can certainly understand his suits, because why the hell not?

Even if I also have ridiculed him in the past, I can understand him. He has adapted.

Kudos to you, you are being consistent. I am assuming since you said it all "depends" then you could not have agreed with Forsbergs comments about Canada at Sochi then? that they were "questionable" You use the same standard you do with Don right?

I respect that if you do so.

 

[Chimpradamus]

Kudos to you, you are being consistent. I am assuming since you said it all "depends" then you could not have agreed with Forsbergs comments about Canada at Sochi then? that they were "questionable" You use the same standard you do with Don right?

I respect that if you do so.

What I mean is, when Cherry talked about "chicken Swedes", "soft Euros" and so on, did he still have respect for the players or not? When Forsberg said "I hate Canadians (because they always find a way to win)", it's out of respect and a tongue in cheek, while he might still hold a grudge because Canadians are such bastards to face (because they want to win as badly as he does).

Did Cherry have a tongue in cheek with his derogatory statements, in the same way Forsberg did? Did he still have respect for the players he slandered? If yes, it's fine. If no, it's kind of dubious, but with the crazy nationalism Canada has had in hockey for a long time, I'm also sort of fine with it. I mean, with the soft approach Canada has in all other international matters, it's fine.

It's not about what someone says. It's about their actual intentions with what they say. That's the key. Do you sort of understand what I mean?

 

[jj cale]

What I mean is, when Cherry talked about "chicken Swedes", "soft Euros" and so on, did he still have respect for the players or not? When Forsberg said "I hate Canadians (because they always find a way to win)", it's out of respect and a tongue in cheek, while he might still hold a grudge because Canadians are such bastards to face (because they want to win as badly as he does).

Did Cherry have a tongue in cheek with his derogatory statements, in the same way Forsberg did? Did he still have respect for the players he slandered? If yes, it's fine. If no, it's kind of dubious, but with the crazy nationalism Canada has had in hockey for a long time, I'm also sort of fine with it. I mean, with the soft approach Canada has in all other international matters, it's fine.

It's not about what someone says. It's about their actual intentions with what they say. That's the key. Do you sort of understand what I mean?

I understand completely what you mean.

Now, were Forsbergs comments about canada in Sochi "tongue in cheek" ? were you fine with that?

all in good fun?

I'm curious.

Because I don't see how there was anything "respectful" about them. looked to me he was just out and out whining with NO RESPECT, he was just a raving f***ing lunatic with a serious grudge imo.

Like someone else we know sometimes gets.

 

[FinnLightning26]

What a classless POS

 

[authentic]

Forsberg can shut his mouth. Guy says thinks like that, but plays dirty as **** and doesn't even have balls to take fights.

To be fair though no one really condones dirty play anymore and when he played it was a regular thing and even encouraged by coaches.