Rumor: Per Kevin Weekes. Shesterkin rejects NYRs $88M / 11M AAV offer

[ColbyChaos]

Everyone knows he is the only ranger on that team worth a damn in the post season. He can get whatever he wants from that team.

 

[On The Prowl]

Its hard to judge the value of a goalie, a lot of the stats are heavily influenced by the defensive system and players in front of them. Shesterkin is probably one of the few where you accept he is a top-echelon goalie, and I still dont think I would pay him a contract of 11m+ a year.

 

[TS Quint]

We’ll see how that tandem performs when the games matter. Shesterkin is rocking a .930 SV% in the playoffs and is a huge asset the rangers can depend on.

Leafs goaltending has never been their problem outside Samsonov.. Their offense they pay all that money to is impotent in the playoffs.

 

[Slapshottothehead]

Who else is gonna pay 11 million a year for a goalie???

 

[StreetHawk]

Who else is gonna pay 11 million a year for a goalie???

That's $11 mill per over 8 years and no way a team is paying $11 mill when he is 37. His deal is more front loaded and drops over time to where it would be in around $6-7 mill for that 8th year. So, he would need a low $80 mill offer as a UFA over 7 years to get him at least $11.5 mill or higher on an AAV. Then when he's done that deal, he'd have to find a 1 year deal at over $5 mill to come out even.

Klingberg passed on an 8 year deal, but once he hit the market, he was limited to 7 years, so harder to get that same money.

 

[Sol]

Everyone knows he is the only ranger on that team worth a damn in the post season. He can get whatever he wants from that team.

That means nothing. Rangers were in the same position with Lundqvist and they still couldn’t win a cup. If you can’t win with a Lundqvist caliber goalie then you’re delusional to spend on Shesterkin when you’re pretty much tying your entire hands on being a goalie only team.

Many teams have won with decent goalies. There’s absolutely no reason why the rangers should tie an anchor to themselves over a goalie.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

Methinks he shoulda took that money

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I love how so many repeat that asking for like 12-13M handicaps an ability to build a team. How does this compute?

There are players who are going to ask for like 15 or 16M in another year or two. There are active bad hockey players that make nearly 10M. There's no consensus way of how to build a team. The salary cap is constantly rising.

It's become "hipster" to rail against goaltenders because they're voodoo or something. The data and analytics proves out that you rarely win a cup nowadays without at least league average starting goaltending and often it's with elite goaltending. I don't think the data proves what all these self-proclaimed very smart people want you to believe.

It's bad group think at this point. An elite goaltender is worth the same as any elite NHL'er. Whatever they want because there are not very many elite players in hockey and they are hard to acquire. You don't pass up the opportunity to sign them when you can to haggle over a few pennies on a dollar to instead take a punt on slightly improving your 3rd line or 3rd pair or something.

 

[AirGut]

That means nothing. Rangers were in the same position with Lundqvist and they still couldn’t win a cup. If you can’t win with a Lundqvist caliber goalie then you’re delusional to spend on Shesterkin when you’re pretty much tying your entire hands on being a goalie only team.

Many teams have won with decent goalies. There’s absolutely no reason why the rangers should tie an anchor to themselves over a goalie.

They drafted AND developed him. They invested years in patiently waiting for him to come over and it ended up paying off because he's been as good as they originally thought he could be. The real reason why the Rangers should tie an anchor to their franchise tender? If they don't they might very well be spending the next 10 years finding a starter and they're right back into the dark ages like how it was before Lundqvist. Which I know is exactly what most people want to see happen these days.

I'd rather pay the goalie you got and deserve than take a gamble on no names like some of these other teams do because hopefully, maybe, possibly, it'll lead to a surprise cup win.

 

[Zeeker]

I love how so many repeat that asking for like 12-13M handicaps an ability to build a team. How does this compute?

There are players who are going to ask for like 15 or 16M in another year or two. There are active bad hockey players that make nearly 10M. There's no consensus way of how to build a team. The salary cap is constantly rising.

It's become "hipster" to rail against goaltenders because they're voodoo or something. The data and analytics proves out that you rarely win a cup nowadays without at least league average starting goaltending and often it's with elite goaltending. I don't think the data proves what all these self-proclaimed very smart people want you to believe.

It's bad group think at this point. An elite goaltender is worth the same as any elite NHL'er. Whatever they want because there are not very many elite players in hockey and they are hard to acquire. You don't pass up the opportunity to sign them when you can to haggle over a few pennies on a dollar to instead take a punt on slightly improving your 3rd line or 3rd pair or something.

Rangers fans that want to jettison the likes of Shesterkin and Panarin and build the team around randos like Will Cuylle will be in for a big surprise if they get their way

 

[JKG33]

I love how so many repeat that asking for like 12-13M handicaps an ability to build a team. How does this compute?

There are players who are going to ask for like 15 or 16M in another year or two. There are active bad hockey players that make nearly 10M. There's no consensus way of how to build a team. The salary cap is constantly rising.

It's become "hipster" to rail against goaltenders because they're voodoo or something. The data and analytics proves out that you rarely win a cup nowadays without at least league average starting goaltending and often it's with elite goaltending. I don't think the data proves what all these self-proclaimed very smart people want you to believe.

It's bad group think at this point. An elite goaltender is worth the same as any elite NHL'er. Whatever they want because there are not very many elite players in hockey and they are hard to acquire. You don't pass up the opportunity to sign them when you can to haggle over a few pennies on a dollar to instead take a punt on slightly improving your 3rd line or 3rd pair or something.

The voodoo things is especially hilarious because a lot of these overpaid forwards (The Leafs 4, Pettersson, Panarin, are the ones in mind) actively disappear every playoff anyway. At least with Shesterkin (and someone like Price before) you knew they'd steal at least one playoff round for ya as long as you made it to the dance.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The voodoo things is especially hilarious because a lot of these overpaid forwards (The Leafs 4, Pettersson, Panarin, are the ones in mind) actively disappear every playoff anyway. At least with Shesterkin (and someone like Price before) you knew they'd steal at least one playoff round for ya as long as you made it to the dance.

The other one I like is how Rangers fans have convinced themselves the Rangers can't win with an elite goaltender because Lundqvist never won a Cup. The way these arguments are structured it's almost like some of them argue they'd rather have bad goaltending because that's the exact opposite and apparently it's good to try the exact opposite even if statistically the chances of winning get even lower the worse players are you put on the ice.

 

[NVious]

Who else is gonna pay 11 million a year for a goalie???

Detroit easily does this, Colarado if they lose Rantanen, Leafs if their goalies struggle in the playoffs, Chicago could overpay considering they need to get Bedard some help, Edmonton to potentially go all in on McDavid's last year, Pittsburgh might be desperate enough to throw a hail mary.

There's always a market for a Vezina caliber goalie.

 

[ColbyChaos]

That means nothing. Rangers were in the same position with Lundqvist and they still couldn’t win a cup. If you can’t win with a Lundqvist caliber goalie then you’re delusional to spend on Shesterkin when you’re pretty much tying your entire hands on being a goalie only team.

Many teams have won with decent goalies. There’s absolutely no reason why the rangers should tie an anchor to themselves over a goalie.

Problem is those teams that won with decent goalies had elite forwards who show up in the post season and an Elite group of Cs.

New York doesn’t have that besides Kreider, and Laf potentially. New York doesn’t have the forwards to win they have a bunch of regular season warriors and power play specialists that disappear at 5v5

 

[StreetHawk]

Detroit easily does this, Colarado if they lose Rantanen, Leafs if their goalies struggle in the playoffs, Chicago could overpay considering they need to get Bedard some help, Edmonton to potentially go all in on McDavid's last year, Pittsburgh might be desperate enough to throw a hail mary.

There's always a market for a Vezina caliber goalie.

The big issue is total money. $88 mill for 8 years vs $77 mill. But he’d asked for a higher aAV to like $11.5-$11.7 or something to land in the $81-$82 mill total for 7 years. His deal would have been designed where cash for year 8 is closer to $6-7 mill at the age of like 36/37.

Plus to have room the good teams need to move on from a Rant, Tavares to add him. Or for A s have Landy be a permanent ltir.

If Shesh is ok taking a step back for 1-3 years depending on how weak a club he’d sign with, that would dictate his options. If he wants win now clubs it’s a small market.

 

[StreetHawk]

I love how so many repeat that asking for like 12-13M handicaps an ability to build a team. How does this compute?

There are players who are going to ask for like 15 or 16M in another year or two. There are active bad hockey players that make nearly 10M. There's no consensus way of how to build a team. The salary cap is constantly rising.

It's become "hipster" to rail against goaltenders because they're voodoo or something. The data and analytics proves out that you rarely win a cup nowadays without at least league average starting goaltending and often it's with elite goaltending. I don't think the data proves what all these self-proclaimed very smart people want you to believe.

It's bad group think at this point. An elite goaltender is worth the same as any elite NHL'er. Whatever they want because there are not very many elite players in hockey and they are hard to acquire. You don't pass up the opportunity to sign them when you can to haggle over a few pennies on a dollar to instead take a punt on slightly improving your 3rd line or 3rd pair or something.

$11 mill is 10% higher than Bob. A bunch of other 20 somethings signed for term and are all under $9 mill. So, at $11 mill he’s about 2.5 mill or so higher than the next guy.

To have him at $12-13 mill means he’s like 40-50% higher than the rest of the high paid goalies. Probably how the Rafa are looking at it. Thus maxing out at $11 mill.

 

[elmaco]

I love how so many repeat that asking for like 12-13M handicaps an ability to build a team. How does this compute?

There are players who are going to ask for like 15 or 16M in another year or two. There are active bad hockey players that make nearly 10M. There's no consensus way of how to build a team. The salary cap is constantly rising.

It's become "hipster" to rail against goaltenders because they're voodoo or something. The data and analytics proves out that you rarely win a cup nowadays without at least league average starting goaltending and often it's with elite goaltending. I don't think the data proves what all these self-proclaimed very smart people want you to believe.

It's bad group think at this point. An elite goaltender is worth the same as any elite NHL'er. Whatever they want because there are not very many elite players in hockey and they are hard to acquire. You don't pass up the opportunity to sign them when you can to haggle over a few pennies on a dollar to instead take a punt on slightly improving your 3rd line or 3rd pair or something.

It's funny too since no one would actually take a paycut to facilitate their employer in real life.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Igor is still going to get PAID

 

[BB88]

If he wants to compete during his next contract he should walk

 

[The Andrew Peeke Fan]

I love how so many repeat that asking for like 12-13M handicaps an ability to build a team. How does this compute?

There are players who are going to ask for like 15 or 16M in another year or two. There are active bad hockey players that make nearly 10M. There's no consensus way of how to build a team. The salary cap is constantly rising.

It's become "hipster" to rail against goaltenders because they're voodoo or something. The data and analytics proves out that you rarely win a cup nowadays without at least league average starting goaltending and often it's with elite goaltending. I don't think the data proves what all these self-proclaimed very smart people want you to believe.

It's bad group think at this point. An elite goaltender is worth the same as any elite NHL'er. Whatever they want because there are not very many elite players in hockey and they are hard to acquire. You don't pass up the opportunity to sign them when you can to haggle over a few pennies on a dollar to instead take a punt on slightly improving your 3rd line or 3rd pair or something.

Team in front of the goaltender makes the goaltender, in a pervasive and primary way.

 

[NVious]

The big issue is total money. $88 mill for 8 years vs $77 mill. But he’d asked for a higher aAV to like $11.5-$11.7 or something to land in the $81-$82 mill total for 7 years. His deal would have been designed where cash for year 8 is closer to $6-7 mill at the age of like 36/37.

Plus to have room the good teams need to move on from a Rant, Tavares to add him. Or for A s have Landy be a permanent ltir.

If Shesh is ok taking a step back for 1-3 years depending on how weak a club he’d sign with, that would dictate his options. If he wants win now clubs it’s a small market.

Great players get paid, the bottom for Shesty at the current market rate is 10, whether he gets 11-12 shouldn't make hardly any difference to a contending team's chances, yeah an extra 1-2 mill is nice, but it's hardly anything truly game changing.

The contract probably won't age well, but if you're trying to win/get better and you have a chance to get arguably the best goalie in the league, there are enough teams that will pay him what he wants and basically what he deserves.

Unless he's awful for the rest of the year and the playoffs, I don't see that changing and even then is he really going below 9? I think never, so people are basically haggling with one of the best in the league over 1-2 mill.

 

[Sol]

Problem is those teams that won with decent goalies had elite forwards who show up in the post season and an Elite group of Cs.

New York doesn’t have that besides Kreider, and Laf potentially. New York doesn’t have the forwards to win they have a bunch of regular season warriors and power play specialists that disappear at 5v5

They don’t need to ensure that they ensure mediocrity by signing him for cap hell for a goalie.

 

[seabass45]

Who else is gonna pay 11 million a year for a goalie???

Can Carolina pull it off? Not sure how much space they'll have next offseason but Burns/Orlov/Andersen is a decent chunk off the books. They’ve also struggled to get over the hump and could use better goaltending.

Maybe LA?

I don’t think this is a situation where NY is the only serious suitor. Vezina level goaltenders don’t hit the market often.

 

[StreetHawk]

Great players get paid, the bottom for Shesty at the current market rate is 10, whether he gets 11-12 shouldn't make hardly any difference to a contending team's chances, yeah an extra 1-2 mill is nice, but it's hardly anything truly game changing.

The contract probably won't age well, but if you're trying to win/get better and you have a chance to get arguably the best goalie in the league, there are enough teams that will pay him what he wants and basically what he deserves.

Unless he's awful for the rest of the year and the playoffs, I don't see that changing and even then is he really going below 9? I think never, so people are basically haggling with one of the best in the league over 1-2 mill.

If he passed on $11 mill AAV or $88 mill in total what’s his number? $12 mill AAV or $96 mill total? More?

Leaving year 8 as worth $6-7 mill have to get like $90 mill over 7 for like $12.85 milll AAV.