Rumor: Per Kevin Weekes. Shesterkin rejects NYRs $88M / 11M AAV offer

[Sol]

For 11 million you can get a fantastic skater rather than a goalie. Goalies are shit value regardless of how good they are at the time.

 

[WhataKnight]

The thing about goalies is, there are only 32 starting positions available in the NHL. If you can get a "decent" goalie for 2mil, and a great goalie for 11mil, is the difference really worth 8mil? That's the question, and I'm just not so sure for goalies...

Relating that to my team, if Demko wanted 11mil, and we could have Silovs for 0.85mil, I take Silovs and an additional 10.15mil of roster depth.

Kinda feeling this way.

It’s going to start looking more pungently like QB’s in the NFL getting acquired for a king’s ransom by a teams with a difference in system or other such catalyst that makes the attempt fall like a bomb.

You know how sometime a word or phrase will just start being said by everyone to the point of being kind of annoying? (Anyone gen-X likely heard the word “conversate” do this a decade or more ago.) Kind of like the phrase “the narrative” did not long ago.

This is happening right now to “the goalie market needs to be reset”. I don't fully disagree, but there is a point where the numbers a player pursues come off as literally tone deaf when a little patience and restraint betters chances at getting the money and the hardware.

Could be that there isn’t a goalie in the league right now I’d allocate that much cap to, but this isn’t even any kind of pro-management talk at all. Cap space its the current “Sun-Tzu” style tactical asset.

 

[Breakers]

Even the best forwards/defenceman spend at least 40 games sitting on the bench

Igor is one of the very very few elite goalies in the league right now. I get why he wants top dollars like top end forwards

Thank god for he can score too

 

[BraveCanadian]

LOL

 

[tarheelhockey]

Kevin Weekes is a gem.

 

[FinlandPanther]

I know he’s SUPER important to the Rangers but I’d let his dumbass walk. 11 mil is more than fair.

 

[CanadienShark]

You want to back up that statement?

Thomas? Lundquist? Brodeur? Bobrovsky?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

We're seeing with the higher end players like Shesterkin and even you can look at the Draisaitl deal ... I think they're pricing in a large cap rise coming.

Ehh to a degree yes. But Drai's deal comes out to ~15% of the cap next year. That's not new for a Top 5 player in the league.

 

[WhataKnight]

Get Grier on the phone. Who else can afford 12M and build a reasonable roster around it in a way that lets them “park the barge” first and then “bring the small motorboats” in so no one gets killed?

Shesty + for Askarov in a sign & trade. Askarov gets thrown into the NHL and Igor gets paid without forcing anyone to dismantle their roster/cap structure. Everyone wins.

 

[Tawnos]

Just to keep something in mind, the reality is that $11m is less than Lundqvist's big contract. Lundqvist signed for $8.5m against a $69m cap. So his cap hit % was 12.3%. Next year's cap will be at least $92.5m, and 12.3% of that is $11.38m.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

woof. That's already so much

 

[5cotland]

If NYR were to do a sign and trade, what sort of return could they get for Igor?

Let's face it, NYR are not going to let him walk and won't wait until the end of the season/trade deadline with no deal in place.

 

[Breakers]

Thomas? Lundquist? Brodeur? Bobrovsky?

And does that prove goalies age better than any other position like his claim?

 

[SnS]

If NYR were to do a sign and trade, what sort of return could they get for Igor?

Let's face it, NYR are not going to let him walk and won't wait until the end of the season/trade deadline with no deal in place.

There’s probably less than 5 teams that can afford that type of contract. So that limits the return.

 

[Regal]

Lots of goalies well into their late 30’s

Still haven’t shown that.

Brodeur, Roy and Hasek were high end starters until 37 and Hasek was still great at times into his 40s
Luongo was still a very good starter at 36
Lundqvist was still good until 34/35
Fleury won his Vezina at 36
Belfour was still great at 38
Joseph started to fall off at 34/35
Miller was still solid at 35/36
Rinne won his Vezina at 35 and was still great at 36
Anderson was a good starter until 35
Vokoun was still good until 36
Kiprusoff had one of his best years at 35
Markstrom is still good at 35
Turco was a good starter until 34
Rask retired early but was still going strong at 33

 

[StickShift]

The goaltenders that have already signed extensions (Swayman, Saros, Hellebuyck, Sorokin, etc.) are going to look like absolute bargains before Shesterkin resets the market.

I would not be shocked if Igor's new deal will set a floor of $10m AAV for any of the other prime #1 goalies coming up for renewal—Demko, Oettinger, Hill, etc.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I don't get it. Who's gonna pay more than that besides NY?

If he went UFA, he would need 7x12.5M+ to get the same amount as what NY is offering him now.

There are several teams that are locking up their core players right now at dirt cheap prices that could make it work.

f***, there's four in the Atlantic Division alone.

 

[PAZ]

That’s insane he rejected that.

Goalies already have more injury prone careers than any other position, and if he hits free agency the equivalent offer is

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

They gave the 2nd best player on a team 14m a year. Clearly Igor deserves more. Pay him $15x8 once the cap rises like he deserves.

This is kind of a ridiculous way to frame paying a fringe Top 5 player in the league because he's on the same team as the best player since Gretzky/Lemieux...

 

[Breakers]

Brodeur, Roy and Hasek were high end starters until 37 and Hasek was still great at times into his 40s
Luongo was still a very good starter at 36
Lundqvist was still good until 34/35
Fleury won his Vezina at 36
Belfour was still great at 38
Joseph started to fall off at 34/35
Miller was still solid at 35/36
Rinne won his Vezina at 35 and was still great at 36
Anderson was a good starter until 35
Vokoun was still good until 36
Kiprusoff had one of his best years at 35
Markstrom is still good at 35
Turco was a good starter until 34
Rask retired early but was still going strong at 33

And does this prove goalies age better than any other position?

 

[vanarchy]

Goalies want to get paid like the forwards and dmen but their position is more volatile on average, even when it comes to drafting. Not everybody is Price and Vasilevskiy.

 

[1specter]

Rangers should move on or trade him for a huge return. You're basically banking on him to otherwise pull a Bobrovsky, which was a miracle situation in itself given that he was almost looking cooked until a sudden resurgence in the 2023 playoffs.

 

[WarriorofTime]

can you name an example of this lol?

Every single one because QBs don't play defense.

 

[Suntouchable13]

For 11 million you can get a fantastic skater rather than a goalie. Goalies are shit value regardless of how good they are at the time.

LOL, I'd take Shesterkin at 11M than Nylander or Marner. "Fantastic skater" lol. Gets you nowhere.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

For 11 million you can get a fantastic skater rather than a goalie. Goalies are shit value regardless of how good they are at the time.

Cool. But you still need to first pay 5-6M to find another decent goalie to now replace Igor. So you're down to 5-6M on a 2nd line player.


So you lose an elite goalie to get an average goalie and 2nd line player. Sounds terrible.