Rumor: Per Kevin Weekes. Shesterkin rejects NYRs $88M / 11M AAV offer

[Fatass]

Its weird seeing the goalie rate increase with the worst crop of star goalies since the 80s

Considering how big goalies are now and the equipment goalies wore in the 80’s compared to today, the guys 40 years ago were better. A goalie today, these jumbo sized ones, wearing the old dull skates, on soft ice, with 40 pounds of sweat soaked (and much smaller and poorer protection) pads would rarely make the National League.

 

[Zerotonine]

Wouldn’t that be the death side?

I meant north side

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Cap will be very close to 92.400 when Shesty's contract kicks in next year.

The top paid goalies:
Price's first year was 13.21% of the cap
Bob's was 12.27%
Vasi's was 11.66%

A few superstar forwards that seem relevant, without aiming too high:
Panarin was 14.29%
Tavares was 13.84%
Seguin was 12.09%

Given this, 13% doesn't seem that outlandish, does it?
That would essentially be 12.000 per year.

Note: I'm using percentages for when the contract kicked in, and not the cap when it was signed. There may be a discrepancy with what you find online for this reason.

This is something I looked at as well.

If I am Shesterkin I can concede I do not need Panarins % but hot damn I wanna be paid more. Here's the New York Rangers discount. 11.7 x 8.

Any other team it starts with s 12+

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

tough break, I mean what are we suppose to do just stay in a flat cap to help out teams like those? either make money or get relocated. fans need to care more, just as simple as that

No, the league needs to be reasonable with their expansion into markets. Several locations are not going to be hockey hotbeds, no matter how big the market (see Atlanta or Phoenix). Others love hockey but are just hamstrung because they're in the f***in boonies (Edmonton, Winnipeg)

 

[TGWL]

Considering how big goalies are now and the equipment goalies wore in the 80’s compared to today, the guys 40 years ago were better. A goalie today, these jumbo sized ones, wearing the old dull skates, on soft ice, with 40 pounds of sweat soaked (and much smaller and poorer protection) pads would rarely make the National League.

This is speculation. Nothing more.

 

[NVious]

Its weird seeing the goalie rate increase with the worst crop of star goalies since the 80s

Outside of Hasek/Roy/Brodeur, today's goalies are bigger/stronger/faster/better skaters/better stick handlers/better athletes

 

[Arthur Morgan]

No, the league needs to be reasonable with their expansion into markets. Several locations are not going to be hockey hotbeds, no matter how big the market (see Atlanta or Phoenix). Others love hockey but are just hamstrung because they're in the f***in boonies (Edmonton, Winnipeg)

oh well, so whats the solution? no more raising the cap? some cities dont deserve a hockey team

 

[Soundwave]

No, the league needs to be reasonable with their expansion into markets. Several locations are not going to be hockey hotbeds, no matter how big the market (see Atlanta or Phoenix). Others love hockey but are just hamstrung because they're in the f***in boonies (Edmonton, Winnipeg)

Edmonton is a way bigger market than Winnipeg, it's one of the largest hockey markets full stop now, the NHL wishes they had another Edmonton type market. Metro population is well over 1.5 million and approaching 2 million with no competition from the NBA, NFL, NCAA Football, NCAA Basketball, or MLB, it's all hockey, all the time.

The population of Alberta is massively larger than it was 15 years ago (will cross 5 million probably in a matter of months here) and basically half those people live north of Red Deer, but the Oilers have a large fanbase even in Calgary and southern Alberta too. Sask and Western B.C. also.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Hr doesn't want stay in NY

 

[MasterofGrond]

When a guy rejects a deal that would make him the highest paid player in the history of his position, you close the door and walk away.

Love Igor, but there's a line.

Well, he’s plausibly the best goalie in the league (and definitely the best playoff performing goalie) and next year the cap will be higher than it’s ever been, so the baseline expectation should be “highest paid player in history at his position” in unadjusted dollars right? You agree that anything else would logically be a discount?

 

[Matty Sundin]

Igor and Sway wanna make goalies rich again. The NHLPA will soon hand them their plaques for their contributions to the goalie union.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

oh well, so whats the solution? no more raising the cap? some cities dont deserve a hockey team

it's not a question of not raising the cap; it's about raising it in increments that aren't leaving a third of the league behind.

I wonder if you'd be singing the same tune if a well-funded owner got a third Ontario team and the Leafs started pinching pennies, failing to keep stars while simultaneously raising ticket and streaming services prices. Deserve aint' got nothin' to do with it, as the saying goes.

Of course Igor is a top goalie but goals drive revenues in this game, not smothering the puck so there can be a tv timeout and another faceoff. Goalies should not be paid on par with star forwards -- it's a recipe for bloat. And bloat leads to labor strife.

 

[Soundwave]

it's not a question of not raising the cap; it's about raising it in increments that aren't leaving a third of the league behind.

I wonder if you'd be singing the same tune if a well-funded owner got a third Ontario team and the Leafs started pinching pennies, failing to keep stars while simultaneously raising ticket and streaming services prices. Deserve aint' got nothin' to do with it, as the saying goes.

Of course Igor is a top goalie but goals drive revenues in this game, not smothering the puck so there can be a tv timeout and another faceoff. Goalies should not be paid on par with star forwards -- it's a recipe for bloat. And bloat leads to labor strife.

By that logic defensemen shouldn't be paid close to forwards either.

Even at 12 per, Shesterkin will outpaced by other players, McDavid will probably be 16 on his next deal, Matthews more than that, Makar and Q. Hughes probably north of 14 mill too.

And that will be fine because the cap is going to rise by a lot.

You can't hide the revenues the NHL has, they're already 33% higher than the were pre-COVID, and that number is going up.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

oh well, so whats the solution? no more raising the cap? some cities dont deserve a hockey team

Like who? Arizona is gone and probably never coming back.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

8x$11M seems like a very legit opening offer by the Rangers. You can respect that. It means they are aware of the landscape, and are offering accordingly to make him the highest paid goalie ever. That's solid. Shesterkin is certainly within his rights to angle for just a bit more, or different clauses/signing bonus structure to maximize his take. But at that stage, it ought to be "fine details". I would say an 8x$11M offer would make me very optimistic the two sides will work things out.

 

[AvatarAang]

Too bad the ranger’s GM isn’t Zito. I have heard from very knowledgeable sources that Zito can sign players to cheap contracts regardless of taxes.

Are the rangers drunk or something, why don’t they just sign Shesterkin to a cheap contract?

 

[SpezDispenser]

I don't believe this personally. Swayman's leaked ask were wrong and I think this is leaked misinformation.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

There's maybe 3-4 contracts on that NYR team that are the issue even if they hand Shesterkin 11-11.5M on a per AAV basis that would be preventing them field a Cup winner. He took an absurd deal the first time, no reason for him to do it again and he knows his value with how bad that team gets caved into the ice yearly 5v5.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

He will be almost 30 when his next contract starts, the main reason why I wouldn’t sign him to an 8 yr contract

His style won't break down as he ages

 

[dgibb10]

There's maybe 3-4 contracts on that NYR team that are the issue even if they hand Shesterkin 11-11.5M on a per AAV basis that are preventing them for field a competitive team. He took an absurd deal the first time, no reason for him to do it again and he knows his value with how bad that team gets caved into the ice yearly 5v5.

Even including special teams Rangers playoff xGoals share has been 43.7% in front of shesterkin.

EV its 41.5%.

For some context, Chicago, the worst team in the league over the last 3 years, has a 43% xGoals share EV and Anaheim (worst All situations), has been 42%.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

When a guy rejects a deal that would make him the highest paid player in the history of his position, you close the door and walk away.

Love Igor, but there's a line.

The guy has also played at .930 in a playoff series and NYR's elite paid skaters lost it, he's their great equalizer. They got ELITE goaltending, I could even argue they got HOF esque goaltending from him in the playoffs the past few years. The issue isn't the Shesterkin payday, the issue is the garbage personnel decisions they've made around him leading up to this decision. Not going for Eichel and paying ghost Zibanejad is the biggest missed opportunity for NYR in the past 3-5 years, they arguably have a Cup by now if they made that move.

 

[SML2]

I remember that, too.

Not to complicate the comparisons, but Hull's actual deal was $2.75- million for ten seasons, including the one-million dollar signing bonus. Orr's deal was quite deservedly much richer, but still a small fraction of what Shesterskin is blowing a fart at and walking away from. Even in real dollars.

And Bobby Orr was a God. The best player that ever lived. Not just one of many others.

Poor Bobby. In 1976 my dad was the only income in the house and he made 8000 dollars a year.

 

[LeapOnOver]

This just seems to me either, A: He doesn't want to play for the Rangers anymore, or B: He isn't ready to discuss a contract extension right now. I mean, he could want more money, but I just can't fathom that.

 

[SML2]

The guy has also played at .930 in a playoff series and NYR's elite paid skaters lost it, he's their great equalizer. They got ELITE goaltending, I could even argue they got HOF esque goaltending from him in the playoffs the past few years. The issue isn't the Shesterkin payday, the issue is the garbage personnel decisions they've made around him leading up to this decision. Not going for Eichel and paying ghost Zibanejad is the biggest missed opportunity for NYR in the past 3-5 years, they arguably have a Cup by now if they made that move.

I'm not here to argue with anyone, but it's the term that scares me way more than the AAV. I dont need a 37 yr old goaltender pulling down over 11m. I guess I am the sucker because when I envision the deal, he's not sitting on a beach claiming LTIR for the last three years of it like most of these frauds. But this team should be able to develop some goaltender to at least push Igor out of the #1 spot over 8 years. Then what do you do with him?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

it's not a question of not raising the cap; it's about raising it in increments that aren't leaving a third of the league behind.

I wonder if you'd be singing the same tune if a well-funded owner got a third Ontario team and the Leafs started pinching pennies, failing to keep stars while simultaneously raising ticket and streaming services prices. Deserve aint' got nothin' to do with it, as the saying goes.

Of course Igor is a top goalie but goals drive revenues in this game, not smothering the puck so there can be a tv timeout and another faceoff. Goalies should not be paid on par with star forwards -- it's a recipe for bloat. And bloat leads to labor strife.

going up between 3-4m every year for a few years now atleast

Leafs raise tickets no matter the outcome, no matter if they are 32nd in the league or 1st in the league price always rises

there's only about 5 goalies in the league that deserve top pay, players should get paid to their skill level. I see no reason why the best forward in the league and the best dman in the league should get paid but the best goalie has to take a pay cut. it makes no sense.

Like who? Arizona is gone and probably never coming back.

just speaking in general not directing that towards any team