Per Friedman: Coyotes players told team moving to Utah starting next season (Mod warning post #50)

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ItWasJustified

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The NHL has to be concerned about markets that small with what’s going on in Winnipeg right now.
What do you think is going on in Winnipeg? They had a decade of sellouts and an owner who is one of the richest people in the world. Gary Bettman himself said that there's no concern about the Winnipeg Jets so why would you think that the league is? Did you even watch the press conference that Bettman and Daly held in Winnipeg? If not, you should stop writing about things you have no effing idea about.
 

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Put me in the category of "if they cancel this project, it was never going to happen". I see some Arizona fans are not fans of the current owner for different reasons. For me, the Hockey team using an arean for maybe 50 days out of the year is small potatoes. The arena can be used for a lot of other things. If the massive project does get cancelled my guess is the NHL had either a hunch or suspicion something was of. Not saying it is but when they said they had no plan B that raised my radar.

This is a bad time to be a Coyote fan but the question is if this gets cancelled my question will be is the current owner another guy who promised the sky and always found people to blame. What happened in Arizona will be Bettman's legacy and for how quickly this came down--either Bettman had to much pressure from the NHLPA or Ownershio group or Bettman believes that the current owner may not be as trust worthy as he wanted with his plans and promises.

There is more to this then what is known publicly, Clearly other reporters had it but did not want to run with it and someone top in the NHL had to tell Frank to publish his story and confirm all if it. He just had too many facts that has now been confirmed by other reporters.

In looking at all the details that is known publicly? I do not believe the arena would be ready in 3 seasons.. Based upon limited experience of spending my uni summers working on small and large construction projects, the time frame the owner was laying out was too optimistic and I think at bare minimum for things to be presentable and not a giant construction site--it would be 5 years for a proper opening. For me the arena is a tiny aspect to the project and I am curious if the NHL was looking at what was being promised and the time frame given--the NHL got concerned and started asking lots of questions and then the Ownership made the statement "no plan B"

Over the next few years we will get more information and until then--we can only speculate
 

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What do you think is going on in Winnipeg? They had a decade of sellouts and an owner who is one of the richest people in the world. Gary Bettman himself said that there's no concern about the Winnipeg Jets so why would you think that the league is? Did you even watch the press conference that Bettman and Daly held in Winnipeg? If not, you should stop writing about things you have no effing idea about.

I’m aware of all of those things and yes, I saw that press conference. I’m also aware of the attendance issues they’ve had. Public statements of confidence from the league generally mean little. There are plenty of examples of them doing the same thing with the relocating team this thread is about.

That being said, I wasn’t trying to imply that the Jets are in danger of moving any time soon. Or even any real financial danger. The owner, who you mentioned, is the real reason that’s the case. The basis for the situation in Winnipeg making the NHL concerned for QC is that there’s no guarantee you’re going to have such a great ownership situation there. David Thomson is worth more than $65 billion. He can very easily weather any financial storms.

The prospective owner in QC, Pierre Karl Peledeau, is worth $1.8B. His ability to weather those same storms is significantly worse. Thomson has proven to be a model owner. There’s no guarantee that PKP would be the same. Attendance issues like we saw in Winnipeg, even if they were temporary, has the potential to cause a real problem without the kind of ownership Thomson provides.
 

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Sorry but it just makes no sense to me. Hamilton and Quebec City have been begging for a team for decades and Salt Lake City just rolls in and grabs a franchise? How on Earth does that even make financial sense for the league? How does a city of 200,000 people with no hockey background support an NHL team? Both Hamilton and Quebec City have populations in the 800,000 range with an obvious higher interest in hockey. What's Gary's play here? I'm confused.
Salt Lake City will likely host the Winter Olympics in the early 2030s. In other words a state-of-the-art, taxpayer-funded arena and all the infrastructure that comes with it. If you as the NHL want to be a part of that, the time is now.
 

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The prospective owner in QC, Pierre Karl Peledeau, is worth $1.8B. His ability to weather those same storms is significantly worse. Thomson has proven to be a model owner. There’s no guarantee that PKP would be the same. Attendance issues like we saw in Winnipeg, even if they were temporary, has the potential to cause a real problem without the kind of ownership Thomson provides.
Presumably a potential Quebec City team wouldn't be owned by a single person, but a group of people.
 

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Sorry but it just makes no sense to me. Hamilton and Quebec City have been begging for a team for decades and Salt Lake City just rolls in and grabs a franchise? How on Earth does that even make financial sense for the league? How does a city of 200,000 people with no hockey background support an NHL team? Both Hamilton and Quebec City have populations in the 800,000 range with an obvious higher interest in hockey. What's Gary's play here? I'm confused.
The people have been begging for a team, but only one prospective market has an owner who is prepared and vetted to do it. The play here is that this is a rescue operation and Ryan Smith was the guy to bail them out of a bad situation.
 

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Presumably a potential Quebec City team wouldn't be owned by a single person, but a group of people.

Specifically to the concerns I’m mentioning, that doesn’t make it any better. In fact, it probably makes it worse. The more people involved, the greater the chance of instability.

Maybe the league sees things differently and maybe QC is one of the teams that comes in with the expansion to 36 that feels inevitable, but I just really doubt it.
 

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I think anything even remotely close to the GTA will get vetoed by the Leafs. IRC that has been reported multiple times. Leafs do not want another team near them in Canada
Iirc the sabres and leafs have a 40km radius veto rights. Anything outside the leafs cant prevent.
 

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I hate it for the fans. But they'll get a team back. Just might take a little time. Phoenix is too important of a market to leave dormant.
I doubt that. And if then it will be in 10-20 years from now.
And only if its a combination of the NBA and NHL team, but Ishbia is not interested in hockey.
In addition this is only possible with a new arena, which i doubt will be build. Footprint will someday be replaced but it will have to be done privately without any vote (which is fair, no money from taxpayers for billionairs and all that) or else it will fail.
 

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I think anything even remotely close to the GTA will get vetoed by the Leafs. IRC that has been reported multiple times. Leafs do not want another team near them in Canada
Leafs and Sabres have put their foot down to stop Hamilton multiple times.
 

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I doubt that. And if then it will be in 10-20 years from now.
And only if its a combination of the NBA and NHL team, but Ishbia is not interested in hockey.
In addition this is only possible with a new arena, which i doubt will be build. Footprint will someday be replaced but it will have to be done privately without any vote (which is fair, no money from taxpayers for billionairs and all that) or else it will fail.

They'll have an easier time getting funding for an arena after the locals have had some time to miss hockey, especially with the possibility they could have Vegas or even Seattle type success right away.

I think they'll be in the 35/36 expansion group and that'll come around quicker than people think.
 

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They'll have an easier time getting funding for an arena after the locals have had some time to miss hockey, especially with the possibility they could have Vegas or even Seattle type success right away.

I think they'll be in the 35/36 expansion group and that'll come around quicker than people think.
I doubt we will ever see something like that ever again. GMs and teams learned from those two expansions. And they were done with outside conditions that allowed them to happen.
And if the team has to rebuild straight away than it will be a fail anyway.

Of course we also have to consider what second team the east would get if there is an expansion to 36 teams. Lets consider that houston and Atlanta come in. And Phoenix would be an option.
then they are 35 teams. But that would make the schedule bad. So they want another team in the east. Where? Quebec?

And all of this is only possible if there is an arena in AZ. And i doubt that.
While AM gets 1b. He can use that to finance part of his proposed district. but where does he get the rest of the money without a franchis? I doubt there will be many people willing to lend him money. Especially when all the infos come out about his ownership of the yotes, after they move.
Oh and he would have to pay the league 1b for the expansion team. Which means that he will most likely cancel the bid. Or the state will cancel it because they see whats going on.

Which means that there needs to be another person willing to A) build an arena B) have the money for an expansion and C) work with Ishbia on a combined arena and district.

I cannot see that happen. It is way more likely that this will be the end for NHL hockey in AZ for a long, long time. If not ever.
 

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I think anything even remotely close to the GTA will get vetoed by the Leafs. IRC that has been reported multiple times. Leafs do not want another team near them in Canada
Could be in 2 years when Tanenbaum sells his remaining shares, TSN takes one team and Roger’s the other team.
 
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The Coyotes have actively cost the league and players money.

Everyone who isn't a Coyotes fan should be happy they're moving to greener pastures.
The idea that this is all a grave injustice, created and forwarded by the Canadian media to destroy the Yotes is hilarious...and from the same people that called this fake news from an uninformed radio host for 10 pages and condemned anyone buying into and/or thinking the Yotes are no longer viable in AZ as a condescending a holes bullying Yotes fans. lol
 
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I hope that Gary won’t send the new Jets to Arizona as well.
ssshhhhh!

Don't give him any ideas...For all we know he's lurks in here...

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