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here is the problem I see with the large plan. IT is one giant empty sand bowl right now.. I have done some construction in my younger days and in looking at the plan? The math for when the arena would open does not add up, I understand the plan but there is no infrastructure right now and it looks like they are building it from scratch. When I was working my way through uni in BC, I worked on some projects that were built where there was nothing and it took a lot of time to build what was needed to have the areas viable. I think they are being too liberal by maybe 2 to 3 years in when the arena would be ready
 
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I can't blame ownership for trying to leave but I feel like if they really wanted to get a arena deal done in a location that they wanted they could have. They just wanted more than local govs were willing to give. Take the money and run.
 
archangel2 said:
here is the problem I see with the large plan. IT is one giant empty sand bowl right now.. I have done some construction in my younger days and in looking at the plan? The math for when the arena would open does not add up, I understand the plan but there is no infrastructure right now and it looks like they are building it from scratch. When I was working my way through uni in BC, I worked on some projects that were built where there was nothing and it took a lot of time to build what was needed to have the areas viable. I think they are being too liberal by maybe 2 to 3 years in when the arena would be ready
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So you did some construction in your younger days and can tell from the information you have that the engineers, city planners and project managers are wrong on the project they dedicate all their time too. Gotcha. HF gold.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I see absolutely no reason to think that it isn't basically a guarantee. Pretty much everyone who has the power to make the decisions is fully in support of it.

www.ksl.com

Utah lawmakers approve downtown NBA/NHL arena bill as they seek 'vibrant' capital

Utah lawmakers have approved a bill that paves the way for improvements to downtown Salt Lake City, including a possible new arena for the Utah Jazz and a potential National Hockey League franchise.
www.ksl.com www.ksl.com

Salt Lake City is already trying to get the 2034 Winter Olympics, so they need to build a new NHL caliber rink to support that regardless.
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It seems pretty rock solid. I guess I’m conflating the general buzz that this entire saga is a done deal with a specific situation.

I 100% agree if the move were to “officially” be announced, there are “guarantees” in place with regards to a new SLC arena.
 
SjMilhouse said:
Downtown is exploding, tons of young non-mormons moving here. Decent tech industry with a lot of money. A lot of growth in general just from large families/people not leaving the state. Low income tax (<5%) and beautiful outdoors. Downside is it's basically a theocratic government but pro business soo it balances out
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Heard your lake is running dry and polluting the air and environment.
www.nytimes.com

As the Great Salt Lake Dries Up, Utah Faces an ‘Environmental Nuclear Bomb’ (Published 2022)

Climate change and rapid population growth are shrinking the lake, creating a bowl of toxic dust that could poison the air around Salt Lake City.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
www.wbur.org

The Great Salt Lake is drying up. Can it be saved?

Utah’s Great Salt Lake is the largest salt lake in the Western Hemisphere. Since the 1980s, the lake has shrunk by two-thirds, and is projected to disappear entirely in the next five years. If it does, it will lead to massive environmental, economic and public health issues.
www.wbur.org www.wbur.org
www.pbs.org

The Great Salt Lake is rapidly shrinking and Utah has failed to stop it, a new lawsuit says

Organizations including the Sierra Club and the Center for Biological Diversity say that upstream water has been diverted for decades to farmers growing alfalfa, hay and other crops, as well as new development and industry.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

Rename the place in 5 to 10 years into "The city formerly known as Salt lake city".
 
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Edenjung said:
Heard your lake is running dry and polluting the air and environment.
www.nytimes.com

As the Great Salt Lake Dries Up, Utah Faces an ‘Environmental Nuclear Bomb’ (Published 2022)

Climate change and rapid population growth are shrinking the lake, creating a bowl of toxic dust that could poison the air around Salt Lake City.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
[URLunfurl="true"]The Great Salt Lake is drying up. Can it be saved?[/URL]
www.pbs.org

The Great Salt Lake is rapidly shrinking and Utah has failed to stop it, a new lawsuit says

Organizations including the Sierra Club and the Center for Biological Diversity say that upstream water has been diverted for decades to farmers growing alfalfa, hay and other crops, as well as new development and industry.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

Rename the place in 5 to 10 years into "The city formerly known as Salt lake city".
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Yikes. I’m sure nobody is as concerned with a potential ecological disaster with the lake than a majority of the people who live there.

But people who live in SLC are allowed to have a measure of civic pride man…it’s not like this thread is run amok with Utah residents puffing their chests out about potentially being on the good end of a franchise relocation.
 
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Edenjung said:
Heard your lake is running dry and polluting the air and environment.
www.nytimes.com

As the Great Salt Lake Dries Up, Utah Faces an ‘Environmental Nuclear Bomb’ (Published 2022)

Climate change and rapid population growth are shrinking the lake, creating a bowl of toxic dust that could poison the air around Salt Lake City.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
www.wbur.org

The Great Salt Lake is drying up. Can it be saved?

Utah’s Great Salt Lake is the largest salt lake in the Western Hemisphere. Since the 1980s, the lake has shrunk by two-thirds, and is projected to disappear entirely in the next five years. If it does, it will lead to massive environmental, economic and public health issues.
www.wbur.org www.wbur.org
www.pbs.org

The Great Salt Lake is rapidly shrinking and Utah has failed to stop it, a new lawsuit says

Organizations including the Sierra Club and the Center for Biological Diversity say that upstream water has been diverted for decades to farmers growing alfalfa, hay and other crops, as well as new development and industry.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

Rename the place in 5 to 10 years into "The city formerly known as Salt lake city".
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too bad it isn't nice a moist like arizona.
 
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Edenjung said:
Heard your lake is running dry and polluting the air and environment.
www.nytimes.com

As the Great Salt Lake Dries Up, Utah Faces an ‘Environmental Nuclear Bomb’ (Published 2022)

Climate change and rapid population growth are shrinking the lake, creating a bowl of toxic dust that could poison the air around Salt Lake City.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
www.wbur.org

The Great Salt Lake is drying up. Can it be saved?

Utah’s Great Salt Lake is the largest salt lake in the Western Hemisphere. Since the 1980s, the lake has shrunk by two-thirds, and is projected to disappear entirely in the next five years. If it does, it will lead to massive environmental, economic and public health issues.
www.wbur.org www.wbur.org
www.pbs.org

The Great Salt Lake is rapidly shrinking and Utah has failed to stop it, a new lawsuit says

Organizations including the Sierra Club and the Center for Biological Diversity say that upstream water has been diverted for decades to farmers growing alfalfa, hay and other crops, as well as new development and industry.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

Rename the place in 5 to 10 years into "The city formerly known as Salt lake city".
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Weird flex coming from a Phoenix fan
 
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Curious how much of a revenue hit lower alcohol sales would be for a SLC arena. I think SLC is 50% mormon. For sure would have the lowest alcohol sales league wide.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Read the Friedman article then.

www.sportsnet.ca

NHL, Arizona Coyotes preparing for possible relocation to Utah

The NHL and the Arizona Coyotes are preparing for the possibility of a move to Utah as soon as April 18, multiple sources confirmed Wednesday.
www.sportsnet.ca www.sportsnet.ca
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Friedmann is like 70% sources and 30% speculation, but interesting stuff there if Murelo had a change of heart and doesn't want to wait until June. 1.2 billion though, helps turn him into low-class rubbish that will forsake the entire fanbase after revealing and mentioning how much they want to keep the team in the city.
 
S E P H said:
Friedmann is like 70% sources and 30% speculation, but interesting stuff there if Murelo had a change of heart and doesn't want to wait until June. 1.2 billion though, helps turn him into low-class rubbish that will forsake the entire fanbase after revealing and mentioning how much they want to keep the team in the city.
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I think it's more the NHL doesn't want to wait until June, so they're trying to buy the Coyotes to move them while giving Meruelo a new expansion team in Arizona if he can figure out the arena situation in the future.
 
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benedictTavares said:
Curious how much of a revenue hit lower alcohol sales would be for a SLC arena. I think SLC is 50% mormon. For sure would have the lowest alcohol sales league wide.
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Not only that, the Jazz have bad revenue for Sunday games as well, which was the complaint from the fanbase that the NBA kept putting their playoff games on Sunday mid-afternoons when everyone is at church doing whatever they do with their nametags.

Empoleon8771 said:
I think it's more the NHL doesn't want to wait until June, so they're trying to buy the Coyotes to move them while giving Meruelo a new expansion team in Arizona if he can figure out the arena situation in the future.
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What? What is this mental gymnastics that the NHL is trying to do here? This is new to me...
 
dirtydanglez said:
too bad it isn't nice a moist like arizona.
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Empoleon8771 said:
Weird flex coming from a Phoenix fan
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Hey, i don't live in AZ. I live in europe.
And i am a huge proponent for saving water and efficient water usage.
But climate change is a fact and it hits some places harder than others (for example Salt lake city) and Phoenix.

Also its not a flex. Its 10% trolling and 90% factual information on the state of the lake that gives the city its name. And it doesn't look good for the city and the lake.
Same can be said about Arizona. There is a whole wikipedia article on it.
en.wikipedia.org

Climate change in Arizona - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Maybe i should have included that in my original post ^^

Overall we all will have to cut back in the future. And places like Phoenix and SLC will struggle heavily. Do i feel bad for their residents in both locations? Yes i do.

Doesn't change that i hate the prospect of relocation.
 
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LuGBuG said:
So you did some construction in your younger days and can tell from the information you have that the engineers, city planners and project managers are wrong on the project they dedicate all their time too. Gotcha. HF gold.
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Here in BC I worked on a couple project that were built on empty land and the land was the biggest problem. I am talking from personal experience. I have been to Arizona and posters who actually live in the state can correct me, but not all land can be built in that easily. I worked for a project that was suppose to be only a 3 year build, but took 7 due how the land was not perfect and it cost the biggest delays.

NO one knows for 100% just what kind land it is. They have done studies and have come to some conclusions. For the development, from what it looks to me, they may need to dig down between about 20 to 60 feet and until you actual start digging? you will not know what you have to deal with. This is development 101. You do not know for sure what you up against till you start digging and this is a pretty big dig.

How much development and construction have you done in your life? They are building a massive project where there is absolutely nothing. From what I have seen, there is nothing there and they are starting a massive project from point zero.
Even though it is empty or barren? That does not makes things easier? It in fact makes it harder.

I have been to Arizona and believe hockey will work there
 
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benedictTavares said:
Curious how much of a revenue hit lower alcohol sales would be for a SLC arena. I think SLC is 50% mormon. For sure would have the lowest alcohol sales league wide.
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I think Utah used to have super restrictive alcohol laws, but they've eased up in the past few years. Some of the laws actually sound pretty similar to what you'll see in places like Pennsylvania:

-You have to order food with beer if you're getting beer at a restaurant
-Beer over 5% ABV has to be purchased at a liquor store, otherwise beer can be bought at grocery stores or beer distributors.
-Wine and liquor are bought at liquor stores

Outside of the ABV requirement for beer, I actually think these are pretty much identical to liquor laws in Pennsylvania.
 
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Edenjung said:
Heard your lake is running dry and polluting the air and environment.
www.nytimes.com

As the Great Salt Lake Dries Up, Utah Faces an ‘Environmental Nuclear Bomb’ (Published 2022)

Climate change and rapid population growth are shrinking the lake, creating a bowl of toxic dust that could poison the air around Salt Lake City.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
www.wbur.org

The Great Salt Lake is drying up. Can it be saved?

Utah’s Great Salt Lake is the largest salt lake in the Western Hemisphere. Since the 1980s, the lake has shrunk by two-thirds, and is projected to disappear entirely in the next five years. If it does, it will lead to massive environmental, economic and public health issues.
www.wbur.org www.wbur.org
www.pbs.org

The Great Salt Lake is rapidly shrinking and Utah has failed to stop it, a new lawsuit says

Organizations including the Sierra Club and the Center for Biological Diversity say that upstream water has been diverted for decades to farmers growing alfalfa, hay and other crops, as well as new development and industry.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

Rename the place in 5 to 10 years into "The city formerly known as Salt lake city".
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Good thing they wouldn't be playing on the lake then?
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I think Utah used to have super restrictive alcohol laws, but they've eased up in the past few years. Some of the laws actually sound pretty similar to what you'll see in places like Pennsylvania:

-You have to order food with beer if you're getting beer at a restaurant
-Beer over 5% ABV has to be purchased at a liquor store, otherwise beer can be bought at grocery stores or beer distributors.
-Wine and liquor are bought at liquor stores

Outside of the ABV requirement for beer, I actually think these are pretty much identical to liquor laws in Pennsylvania.
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More so with drinking patterns of the state than laws. All data I have seen show Utah Jazz have lowest concession and alcohol sales compared to other franchises. That being said what surprised me the most was that though they were last it was not by allot.
 
I feel like I’m in the twilight zone; some are suggesting that Phoenix will get a team back?? Nothing is impossible but man, this is just a weird suggestion at this point. It takes at least 10 years to get your name in that hat and a LOT will need to change for consideration.

They will have to get at the back of that line for sure. There is no arena waiting for them in AZ and there is certainly a lot of frustration around the idea of them getting one, let alone KEEPING one.
 
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