Buddy your entire existence on here is being a psychotic malcontent about everything. If there's something you're not bitching about, you don't know about it yet.You’ll be the first one bitching about it!
Buddy your entire existence on here is being a psychotic malcontent about everything. If there's something you're not bitching about, you don't know about it yet.
ob·jec·tive
/əbˈjektiv/
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
"historians try to be objective and impartial"
This cognitive dissonance pisses me off more than anything.Stacking the top line to ruin 3 other lines is ridiculous. Not even a dipshit like Bylsma ever did that. Sullivan doing that is another indication that he's lost the plot entirely.
It really doesn't matter how many minutes they were tried together by any other coach because in those situations for one Therrien had them as rookies, Bylsma suffered probably the worst stretch of injuries the Penguins have had in the Crosby era, where they were a top 5 team for man games lost and we had jokes for how long certain players would even last, like Eaton etc. So to that point, yeah they were tried often, no one disputes that, often late in games, etc and during rough stretches of injuries to get some goals when they needed to score.This cognitive dissonance pisses me off more than anything.
Bylsma ran Malkin-Crosby on the top line multiple times throughout his tenure.
NaturalStatTrick can only track linemates in three year chunks. Here is the shared TOI for Sid and Geno at 5-on-5. No power play. No 4-on-4. No empty net. Pure even strength.
THERRIEN
2007/08 - 343:19 minutes together
THERRIEN/BYLSMA
2008/09 - 366:46 minutes together
BYLSMA
2009/10 - 170:48 minutes together
2010/11 to 2011/12 - 206:40 minutes together
2012/13 to 2013/14 - 138:10 minutes together
JOHNSTON
2014/15 - 69:55 minutes together
JOHNSTON/SULLIVAN
2015/16 - 31:07 minutes together
SULLIVAN
2016/17 to 2018/19 - 42:28 minutes together
2019/20 to 2021/22 - 58:46 minutes together
2022/23 to 2024/25 - 102:52 minutes together
Dan Bylsma stacked lines with Geno and Sid together far more than Sullivan ever has, though Therrien was far more aggressive than anyone.
This cognitive dissonance pisses me off more than anything.
Bylsma ran Malkin-Crosby on the top line multiple times throughout his tenure.
NaturalStatTrick can only track linemates in three year chunks. Here is the shared TOI for Sid and Geno at 5-on-5. No power play. No 4-on-4. No empty net. Pure even strength.
THERRIEN
2007/08 - 343:19 minutes together
THERRIEN/BYLSMA
2008/09 - 366:46 minutes together
BYLSMA
2009/10 - 170:48 minutes together
2010/11 to 2011/12 - 206:40 minutes together
2012/13 to 2013/14 - 138:10 minutes together
JOHNSTON
2014/15 - 69:55 minutes together
JOHNSTON/SULLIVAN
2015/16 - 31:07 minutes together
SULLIVAN
2016/17 to 2018/19 - 42:28 minutes together
2019/20 to 2021/22 - 58:46 minutes together
2022/23 to 2024/25 - 102:52 minutes together
Dan Bylsma stacked lines with Geno and Sid together far more than Sullivan ever has, though Therrien was far more aggressive than anyone.
106 point season with Crosby missing 60 games and Malkin missing 39. Pushed Tampa to G7 and lost by a goal without either of them. Current Sullivan would get like 70 points in that situation.I dislike Sullivan more than most on here, but this is ridiculous. Under Byslma, we had a perennial top 3-5 roster in the league. Of course we were never going missing the playoffs. We probably should've had another cup or 2 under DB.
Now we have a bottom 3-5 roster in the league. I accept it because I knew it was coming. This is how the process works. It doesn’t change how poor of a coach Dan Byslma was during his tenure here.
There's enough material to criticize Sullivan about. We don't need to rewrite history in an attempt to paint Bylsma as a better coach.What’s the cognitive dissonance?
The Penguins had the best roster in 2011 and 2012. Bylsma, Fleury, and injuries to 87 and 71 in 2011 was why they didn't win cups those yearsThey were just gonna lose at a later time in those 3 years. They weren't defending well enough to win championships, and well-rounded beast teams were waiting in the Finals, unlike 2016 and 2017.
We won in 2009 against a beast, balanced team because we had our D-men playing well above their career average levels at the same time.
So don't worry about it. No Cups were lost.
L2 - L4 haven't been working. Maybe they've scored some, but they've all generally sucked. This entire team has sucked. Nothing has worked so well that it should be protected amidst other changes.It really doesn't matter how many minutes they were tried together by any other coach because in those situations for one Therrien had them as rookies, Bylsma suffered probably the worst stretch of injuries the Penguins have had in the Crosby era, where they were a top 5 team for man games lost and we had jokes for how long certain players would even last, like Eaton etc. So to that point, yeah they were tried often, no one disputes that, often late in games, etc and during rough stretches of injuries to get some goals when they needed to score.
The issue right now is that without trying other things, he's directly gone to that as his only hope and its still resulting in the same, except now the depth scoring is f***ed up. Last game he had Hayes playing 6mins...SIX f***ING MINUTES. Puljujarvi played less than 5mins. Beauvillier deserved less minutes for how f***ing awful he was in that game, but even he got double what JP got. He just does not get bench management at all, the way he spreads out minutes, what he prioritizes, is a coach that has no f***ing clue how to fix anything.
That's awful bench management, the issue is less that he used the two headed monster and more so that he had L2-L4 working and he refused to try anything new for Crosby's line that wasn't done before already, it was just more of the same, ignoring others to try, then eventually he went to this as an option.
It doesn't matter how many f***ing minutes they played together for any other coach. The situation is the issue, this team wasn't in need of putting those two together because they lacked scoring, scoring was never the issue this season - defense is. Crosby's line is also a f***ing disaster defensively, so Rakell on that line was a push in the right direction, but then he wouldn't try Bunting there to get him going, he would go back to Beauvillier or O'Connor as the only two options for that line.
Every single line has gone to shit because of that trio being put together, we went from at least having 3 out of 4 lines that were somewhat decent to good to one. That is why doing this just to get Crosby going is aboslutely idiotic when they didn't even do that last year when Malkin was struggling, so who gives a f*** if Crosby sucks ass, was it worth it to ruin the rest of the lines? Absolutely not.
There's enough material to criticize Sullivan about. We don't need to rewrite history in an attempt to paint Bylsma as a better coach.
I still have the pre-series tale of the tape of 2012 burned into my mind.The Penguins had the best roster in 2011 and 2012. Bylsma, Fleury, and injuries to 87 and 71 in 2011 was why they didn't win cups those years