PENS vs Montreal Canadiens Round 1 (Best Of Five)

[Gurglesons]

I'm referencing his established production over the last 3 years on two different teams with and without top 6 time.

I think you underrate McCann's value based on his performance 4-5 years ago as a 19-20 year old and overrate Rodrigues, who produced on pace for 18 points last year. Even as a teenager, McCann has never paced for so little. If the Blueger line is going to be primarily a defensive line, the other bottom 6 line is going to have to produce. All our production can't come from the top 6.

McCann will getting the lowest caliber talent in terms of wingers on the rosters. The comparison to Florida is not apt.

Rodrigues being an 18 pt guy is fine for the bottom line if his cap is anticipated to be 1.25-1.75. He also can step into a top six role if injuries require.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

The team just announced that a player already tested positive for COVID. Not in Pittsburgh and has been in isolation since he experienced symptoms and is recovering.

But yeah this is all a super idea.

 

[Gurglesons]

The team just announced that a player already tested positive for COVID. Not in Pittsburgh and has been in isolation since he experienced symptoms and is recovering.

But yeah this is all a super idea.

Lol. Of course they did.

 

[SomeDude]

What are the odds the player’s name rhymes with Mick Flugstad?

 

[Scandale du Jour]

The team just announced that a player already tested positive for COVID. Not in Pittsburgh and has been in isolation since he experienced symptoms and is recovering.

But yeah this is all a super idea.

Such a Pens thing.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

McCann will getting the lowest caliber talent in terms of wingers on the rosters. The comparison to Florida is not apt.

Rodrigues being an 18 pt guy is fine for the bottom line if his cap is anticipated to be 1.25-1.75. He also can step into a top six role if injuries require.

McCann will not be playing with a lower calibre of winger here than he was in Florida in '17-'18 and '18-'19:

Line Combinations - Frozen Tools
Line Combinations - Frozen Tools

Rodrigues' history of production is a lot spottier than McCann's and the idea that he can perform with spot duty in the top 6 has little to support it, especially considering his poor offense last year.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

The team just announced that a player already tested positive for COVID. Not in Pittsburgh and has been in isolation since he experienced symptoms and is recovering.

Of course he has.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

 

[Gurglesons]

McCann will not be playing with a lower calibre of winger here than he was in Florida in '17-'18 and '18-'19:

Line Combinations - Frozen Tools
Line Combinations - Frozen Tools

Rodrigues' history of production is a lot spottier than McCann's and the idea that he can perform with spot duty in the top 6 has little to support it, especially considering his poor offense last year.

What 25 pt EV scorer in McGinn or 22 EV goal scorer in Vatrano will McCann be playing with on the 4th line? In 17-18 he was also getting a healthy portion of Bjugstad and Dadanov.

Those are peak numbers for Rodrigues and Hornqvist IMO.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

What 25 pt EV scorer in McGinn or 22 EV goal scorer in Vatrano will McCann be playing with on the 4th line? In 17-18 he was also getting a healthy portion of Bjugstad and Dadanov.

Those are peak numbers for Rodrigues and Hornqvist IMO.

Hornqvist has not scored fewer than 25 ES points in any season he's ever played in which he played more than 28 games, so that's pretty definitive.

Rodrigues shouldn't even be playing with a healthy roster IMO. If we don't make any wing acquisitions in the off-season, Simon or one of our young forward prospects could rotate on 3LW, and that's as good as any combo McCann played with on the Panthers.

 

[Gurglesons]

Hornqvist has not scored fewer than 25 ES points in any season he's ever played in which he played more than 28 games, so that's pretty definitive.

Rodrigues shouldn't even be playing with a healthy roster IMO. If we don't make any wing acquisitions in the off-season, Simon or one of our young forward prospects could rotate on 3LW, and that's as good as any combo McCann played with on the Panthers.

You have more faith in me of Simon actually producing in a 4th line LW role which is what I once again will remind you was McCann’s designation on a healthy roster.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

You have more faith in me of Simon actually producing in a 4th line LW role which is what I once again will remind you was McCann’s designation on a healthy roster.

I'll remind you that we don't number lines, and the designation is moot if the players perform.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'll remind you that we don't number lines, and the designation is moot if the players perform.

Funny coming from someone that argued hell and highwater about a player’s distinction on L3 or L4 less than a season and a half ago..

Sullivan has played his hand. He doesn’t view McCann as a trustworthy candidate for the 3C role on this team. You have to be blind as a bat to not accept that.

I guess it is just a coincidence I argued for McCann and see him platooning here as he did in FLA though..

I also can’t seem to forget you said McCann was nowhere near a 3C at the time of the trade and now suddenly he has catapulted into one using those same numbers..

For reference:

I dunno.

He's piss poor in the dot, had 51% OZ starts this year, and underwhelming possession stats.

Center depth isn't youth and potential. You actually have to perform.
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Now it’s changed eh?

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[Dipsy Doodle]

Funny coming from someone that argued hell and highwater about a player’s distinction on L3 or L4 less than a season and a half ago..

I'd have to see the context of the conversation.

Sullivan has played his hand. He doesn’t view McCann as a trustworthy candidate for the 3C role on this team. You have to be blind as a bat to not accept that.

Sullivan doesn't number the lines.

I guess it is just a coincidence I argued for McCann and see him platooning here as he did in FLA though..

I also can’t seem to forget you said McCann was nowhere near a 3C at the time of the trade and now suddenly he has catapulted into one using those same numbers..

For reference:


Now it’s changed eh?

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Yeah, that ain't news. I fully admit I was wrong about McCann. McCann's production increased and his track record of production got longer. He's convinced me with his play.

Ultimately we're not far off in what we think of him. I just dislike the idea of moving him for an unproven asset when we're built to win now. To use one of your examples - Kristian Vesalainen has intriguing potential, but him plus whatever remains of McCann's cap space isn't likely making us a better team than McCann would next year.

 

[Gurglesons]

I'd have to see the context of the conversation.



Sullivan doesn't number the lines.



Yeah, that ain't news. I fully admit I was wrong about McCann. McCann's production increased and his track record of production got longer. He's convinced me with his play.

Ultimately we're not far off in what we think of him. I just dislike the idea of moving him for an unproven asset when we're built to win now. To use one of your examples - Kristian Vesalainen has intriguing potential, but him plus whatever remains of McCann's cap space isn't likely making us a better team than McCann would next year.

Vesalainen and signing a RD like Demelo?

Giving us a D of..

Dumo - Letang
Petts - Marino
Riikola - Demelo

 

[TheGoldenJet]

I think by prospect @Peat and I are talking an ELC player ready to step in next year that has potential to be a top six RW or top four RD. Someone like Petts prior to coming over.

Off the top of my head someone like Valimaki, Timmens or Lindgren on D or Vesalinen or Kunin on RW.

No to Valimaki or Timmons. Both guys missed a full year of hockey, do not want. Much rather add a bit and grab someone like Liljegren out of Toronto.

 

[ColePens]

A normal offseason from the final game of the Stanley Cup to regular season opener is typically 4 months. If we start in August... we are FIVE months removed from the season. That is longer than a normal offseason. This "playoff" would not represent the season in any way.

To make matters worse.. think about Ottawa in 2017. 2OT Game 7 ECF. Think about the team they became after a historic run. ONE goal away from a potential Cup series. Think about how many teams are out of the gate on fire and then fizzle out over the course of a season.

Now players have tested positive. What happens if the virus hits a locker room. Do we hold games for 14 days? Does that team forfeit? Do both teams forfeit? Come on now. What is going on?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Vesalainen and signing a RD like Demelo?

Giving us a D of..

Dumo - Letang
Petts - Marino
Riikola - Demelo

I wouldn't, but I don't see the bottom pairing as an issue that needs to be resolved this summer...other than JJ.

 

[Peat]

A normal offseason from the final game of the Stanley Cup to regular season opener is typically 4 months. If we start in August... we are FIVE months removed from the season. That is longer than a normal offseason. This "playoff" would not represent the season in any way.

To make matters worse.. think about Ottawa in 2017. 2OT Game 7 ECF. Think about the team they became after a historic run. ONE goal away from a potential Cup series. Think about how many teams are out of the gate on fire and then fizzle out over the course of a season.

Now players have tested positive. What happens if the virus hits a locker room. Do we hold games for 14 days? Does that team forfeit? Do both teams forfeit? Come on now. What is going on?

There's a giant hole in their finances and they need to at least look at fixing it.

Although I'm more curious about how much you think the playoffs to represent the season to begin with - to me, it already seems like the regular season is a glorified pre-season for the playoffs that only really matters for the money, and the playoffs fairly frequently feature teams that spent half a season absolutely sucking, which doesn't seem that representative.

 

[Andy99]

Hey, at least Geno is ready...

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[heysmilinstrange]

Hey, at least Geno is ready...

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You can tell he's serious because he's wearing glasses.

 

[Gurglesons]

You can tell he's serious because he's wearing glasses.

Plus his wife said he was.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Plus his wife said he was.

My momma says I’m cool.

 

[ColePens]

There's a giant hole in their finances and they need to at least look at fixing it.

Although I'm more curious about how much you think the playoffs to represent the season to begin with - to me, it already seems like the regular season is a glorified pre-season for the playoffs that only really matters for the money, and the playoffs fairly frequently feature teams that spent half a season absolutely sucking, which doesn't seem that representative.

Oh AMEN. Dude my cutoff was 5/15 Like legit games had to go back to 5/15 to start. So a plan would have been in play by April.

So at least to me.. the playoffs tell a story. And right now we are starting a new story with a Cup finale. That is weird to me.