Salary Cap: Pens Summer Salary Thread: Dull days of August... Oooo! A trade!

[SEALBound]

I give him a D+ for his usual summer dumpster diving antics.

He should’ve held on to our 1st.

The 1st we were contractually obligated to give to San Jose for the EK trade?

Come on dude.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

The 1st we were contractually obligated to give to San Jose for the EK trade?

Come on dude.

Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think that trade has worked out very well for us. I’d much rather have the 1st round pick.

There’s a chance EK can prove me wrong this upcoming season as he acclimates, but I’m not going to hold my breath.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I saw this trending on twitter and got very concerned for a second

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Why?

I don't. Screw the rangers

Trying to be less negative. I hope the Rangers suck but I wish the player well. Trying to get some good Karma

I am once again saying Pettersson is the type of guy you extend if you want to be competitive sometime in the next few years

Forward lines as I see them today:
McGroarty-Crosby-Glass (see what the kids have)
Bunting-Malkin-Rust (speed to help Geno)
DOC-Hayes-Rakell (third line with size/skill, DOC helps with speed)
Lizotte-Eller-camp battle (let Eller babysit)

with realistic winner of 'camp battle' spot being one of Acciari, Puustinen, Beauvillier, Puljujarvi, Poulin, Ponomarev, Bemstrom

Agreed top 4 D can be hard to find especially with how Petts played for us. I think if we are out of the playoff picture though I agree with most to trade him. He could be worth quite a bit.

I give him a D+ for his usual summer dumpster diving antics.

He should’ve held on to our 1st.

This would be part of last year's ratings. Which at the time myself was pumped till Karlsson got Sulleyd. We also got rid of dead meat on the roster.

The 1st we were contractually obligated to give to San Jose for the EK trade?

Come on dude.

Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think that trade has worked out very well for us. I’d much rather have the 1st round pick.

There’s a chance EK can prove me wrong this upcoming season as he acclimates, but I’m not going to hold my breath.

Just adding the quotes. Again the EK 1st we gave up is from last year.

Hindsight Is 20/20 we got EK for a 1st and cap dumps.

Edit: I suppose we traded a 2nd to get rid of Petry

So 1st + 2nd + cap dumps for Karlsson + San Jose 3rd

 

[Goodleaf]

Hindsight Is 20/20 we got EK for a 1st and cap dumps.

Edit: I suppose we traded a 2nd to get rid of Petry

So 1st + 2nd + cap dumps for Karlsson + San Jose 3rd

It also allowed us to add a younger/cheaper upgrade in Ned over CDS. If people wanna argue we should have kept Matheson and Marino, therefore never getting EK or Graves, thats fair. But given what we had at the time, I do the EK trade(s) 100/100.

 

[BusinessGoose]

The EK trade was fine.

 

[StIvany4Norris]

IMO they wont be competitive during the years of an extension. I feel like the assets he would return are more valuable than his play over the next few years.

I just don't agree as I think folks overrate picks, you immediately have to replace him if you trade him as they have little to nothing coming at LD

He realistically gets a 2nd plus a meh prospect [or a conditional late first?] & those have a minimal chance of playing a decent amount of games, and certainly not anytime soon (Source: https://myslu.stlawu.edu/~msch/sports/Schuckers_NHL_Draft.pdf)

If he's willing to go with a realistic 5-5.5M for 2-4 years that seems like a no brainer for a guy with proven chemistry with both Letang and Karlsson, which as Graves has shown is no guarantee for a replacement

I can agree they may not be competitive soon, but that seems to be what they're going for and an extension more closely aligns with that thinking

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

The EK trade was fine.

I mean I loved it at the time but it's kind of pointless and stupid NOW if the team is just gonna toss it's hands up after one crack at it under this "GM" and give up.

 

[StIvany4Norris]

Trying to be less negative. I hope the Rangers suck but I wish the player well. Trying to get some good Karma


Agreed top 4 D can be hard to find especially with how Petts played for us. I think if we are out of the playoff picture though I agree with most to trade him. He could be worth quite a bit.

This would be part of last year's ratings. Which at the time myself was pumped till Karlsson got Sulleyd. We also got rid of dead meat on the roster.




Just adding the quotes. Again the EK 1st we gave up is from last year.

Hindsight Is 20/20 we got EK for a 1st and cap dumps.

Edit: I suppose we traded a 2nd to get rid of Petry

So 1st + 2nd + cap dumps for Karlsson + San Jose 3rd

If Pettersson won't resign at a recent figure, sure trade him

But he seems to like Pittsburgh enough I think something fair could get done

I mean I loved it at the time but it's kind of pointless and stupid NOW if the team is just gonna toss it's hands up after one crack at it under this "GM" and give up.

Don't see them as doing that at all

Not exactly adding guys that are UFA after this year, pretty obviously trying to build up for future runs through the decline of the stars with RFA types

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

If Pettersson won't resign at a recent figure, sure trade him

But he seems to like Pittsburgh enough I think something fair could get done


Don't see them as doing that at all

Not exactly adding guys that are UFA after this year, pretty obviously trying to build up for future runs through the decline of the stars with RFA types

Any team that is taking on bums like Hayes because he comes with some half-shit second round pick is pretty clearly giving up. That's (former) Coyotes kinda stuff.

This team's gnarly top six alone tells me they're shrugging their way through the rest of Crosby's career. If he even stays with these losers, that is.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

One of the hundreds of reasons you want Sid around with young developing players

https://x.com/i/web/status/1828420806382096838

Twas refreshing to see this again.

Please apply this to your kids for those who have them- across all sports.

One of my biggest pet peeves in all of my years of coaching lacrosse is coaches getting on players for missing easy shots or having them saved. Yelling “YOU GOTTA FINISH THAT” like an 8 year old kid didn’t want to score.

Saps confidence. Tell the kid good job for getting into that spot. Most doorstep looks will fall. Encourage him to do it again.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

The EK trade was fine.

When we look back at it it was fine, but now we knew all along the problem was bigger than just adding EK and thinking we were good enough to compete again.

We had to move out bad contracts in the process and to make things worse Granlund who we hated for obvious reasons here for his terrible play when acquired went on to have a 60 pts season in San Jose!

Now we will be stuck with EK

 

[StIvany4Norris]

Any team that is taking on bums like Hayes because he comes with some half-shit second round pick is pretty clearly giving up. That's (former) Coyotes kinda stuff.

No, Hayes is <35, can still play and/or turn it around. Think we need to actually see him play in black and gold before calling him a bum, might be an upgrade over some of the junk they put out last year. One man's trash is another man's treasure

Taking on guys that are legitimately done playing is Coyotes stuff

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

No, Hayes is <35, can still play and/or turn it around. Think we need to actually see him play in black and gold before calling him a bum, might be an upgrade over some of the junk they put out last year. One man's trash is another man's treasure

Taking on guys that are legitimately done playing is Coyotes stuff

It seems pretty obvious to me that the team is "rebuilding on the fly" which is just code for "we don't want to try anymore but we also want to sell tickets." There are legitimate reasons for it but I don't have to like it.

Oh... we'll wait until we see Hayes actually play, alright. Get a nice eyeful. We're all gonna love what he brings, I'm sure. We've missed that Jack Johnson "really should be in the ECHL" kinda energy around this team so it'll be nice to get some of that back.

 

[StIvany4Norris]

It seems pretty obvious to me that the team is "rebuilding on the fly" which is just code for "we don't want to try anymore but we also want to sell tickets." There are legitimate reasons for it but I don't have to like it.

Oh... we'll wait until we see Hayes actually play, alright. Get a nice eyeful. We're all gonna love what he brings, I'm sure. We've really missed that Jack Johnson kinda "really should be in the ECHL" kinda energy around this team so it'll be nice to get some of that back.

Think you're overly cynical on Hayes but it is your right, he scored 50 points in 70 games a season ago despite his coach hating him and is 32

I buy the rebuild on the fly because I think any team with Crosby is capable of being competitive with a few moves, not sure how a Pens fan could feel differently at this point

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't see the point in moving Mp before the season unless you're completely throwing in the towel on trying to win.

I think you at least give the roster a chance to not suck and then if they still do you ship him out by the TDL or sooner depending on how bad the suckage is.

I'm not worried about his value tanking by holding onto him. He's not that old and he's not injury prone. And he has a good body of work. Keeping him a bit longer won't tank his trade value.

This is spot on. The team is rebuilding but they're also trying to remain at least moderately competitive. Pettersson's value isn't going to change much between now and then, so what's the benefit of trading him now?

The only benefit is that it avoids the risk of him getting a major injury or regressing, but how likely is that to happen? In the last 5 years, Pettersson has played in 91% of games for the Penguins.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

My dude... Crosby has BEEN on the team and he's BEEN good and they have missed two straight years. They aren't going to fire the coach... they added the Norris winner and still sucked... and now they aren't even doing anything outside of collecting second and third round picks while adding flotsam and jetsam like Hayes and Grzyolizszack or whatever. They needed to make another Kessel-type move years ago to help their aging core but didn't and traded out their one actual great wing and replaced him with um... magic beans and Beauvillier. Malkin is like 40 and will be starting with the husk of RIcky Raks and a guy who was a fourth liner this time last year on his wing. Crosby has DOC penciled in on his.

Not only is it well over and they have no chance of being competitive but the GM also clearly agrees because he's now prioritizing pick/prospect acquisition over competitive roster building. I'm not sure how a Pens fan could feel differently at this point.

 

[pistolpete11]

Whether Hayes sucks or not, they've pretty clearly given up. They haven't won a playoff series in 6 years, made the playoffs in 2, and their big changes were to get rid of their 40 goal winger, cycle out some of the bottom 6...again, and a new assistant coach....again.

If they were still serious, Sullivan would have been long gone by now. They would have had a better answer for LW1, too. Maybe they lucked into something with McGroarty, but until a few days ago, they were going to roll into the season with DOC as a top line winger

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Whether Hayes sucks or not, they've pretty clearly given up. They haven't won a playoff series in 6 years, made the playoffs in 2, and their big changes were to get rid of their 40 goal winger, cycle out some of the bottom 6...again, and a new assistant coach....again.

If they were still serious, Sullivan would have been long gone by now. They would have had a better answer for LW1, too. Maybe they lucked into something with McGroarty, but until a few days ago, they were going to roll into the season with DOC as a top line winger

Exactly. I'm not sure how this is even a debate.

I mean... I think it sucks and while Crosby is around and still good pretty insulting. They didn't have to pay Kyle Dubas 7M dollars to do THIS job. But it's definitely where they are no doubt.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

When we look back at it it was fine, but now we knew all along the problem was bigger than just adding EK and thinking we were good enough to compete again.

We had to move out bad contracts in the process and to make things worse Granlund who we hated for obvious reasons here for his terrible play when acquired went on to have a 60 pts season in San Jose!

Now we will be stuck with EK

Someone has to score on bad teams.

Granlund is a PP specialist assist magnet.

We asked him to be a 3C with hard deployment with a PP filled with players who play like the puck is a grenade about to blow so they keep passing.

It was the worse possible fit on our roster.

 

[Goodleaf]

Think you're overly cynical on Hayes but it is your right, he scored 50 points in 70 games a season ago despite his coach hating him and is 32

I buy the rebuild on the fly because I think any team with Crosby is capable of being competitive with a few moves, not sure how a Pens fan could feel differently at this point

I honestly admire your optimism, but I feel like Hayes put up 54 points on the 2022 Flyers the same way Granlund put up 60 on the Sharks this year. Somebody had to.

As for MP, this is likely his last shot at a long term deal. I'd love to sign him for 2-3 years at 5.5 per, but I have to think he gets something close to 6/36 from someone. That is a deal Id rather not be locked into, which is why I would take a couple lottery tickets for him at the TDL if we arent firmly looking to make the playoffs, again. I just dont think he moves the needle in terms of the team being competitive, as much as I love having him on the team.

 

[Gurglesons]

If they keep Marcus Pettersson even if they are in the playoffs, this franchise's direction is even more confusing.

I know he's the latest "John Marino analytics say he is great" guy, but he's a dime a dozen defenseman that we can get multiple futures for.

Do not re-sign him.

Same argument as Guentzel last year.

 

[Goodleaf]

If they keep Marcus Pettersson even if they are in the playoffs, this franchise's direction is even more confusing.

Something something something we believe we can still contend, etc.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I honestly admire your optimism, but I feel like Hayes put up 54 points on the 2022 Flyers the same way Granlund put up 60 on the Sharks this year. Somebody had to.

As for MP, this is likely his last shot at a long term deal. I'd love to sign him for 2-3 years at 5.5 per, but I have to think he gets something close to 6/36 from someone. That is a deal Id rather not be locked into, which is why I would take a couple lottery tickets for him at the TDL if we arent firmly looking to make the playoffs, again. I just dont think he moves the needle in terms of the team being competitive, as much as I love having him on the team.

I agree with all of your post, save for the bolded.
MP was essentially the keystone for the defense that prevented it from crumbling. All those rushes from EK and Letang had to be covered up and MP did that. Guy prevents zone entries like no one else. While he's a bit weak in front of the net and doesn't provide offense, he's an extremely solid positional defender.

Having MP on your team doesn't take you from middling to contender. But removing MP from this Pens team could take it from middling to top 5 to 10 pick very quickly

 

[pistolpete11]

Exactly. I'm not sure how this is even a debate.

I mean... I think it sucks and while Crosby is around and still good pretty insulting. They didn't have to pay Kyle Dubas 7M dollars to do THIS job. But it's definitely where they are no doubt.

Well, I think Dubas is executing on their vision, so whatever they want to pay him for it, I couldn't care less.