Salary Cap: Pens Summer Salary Thread: Dull days of August... Oooo! A trade!

[Turin]

That sucks ass

Who knows If Columbus even would want to deal with us.

I always feel this energy from them that they would not want to deal with us.

I'd rather have

Rakell + a 2nd for laine
Then
Laine + 2nd for Harris

I remember all the Columbus fans laughing.

I don’t think Columbus was dealing with Pittsburgh. They’ve been desperately trying to be the Pens rivals for over a decade. But it was nice to imagine

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

He was playing in the 3rd tier Italy league

You just made that up, no way it exists man, no way.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't think very highly of Laine at all really, but I'd rather have two more years of Laine plus a 2nd rounder instead of four more years of Rakell or however many they're gonna stupidly sign Petts for (please trade Petts you f***ing losers).

 

[SEALBound]

That's more or less POJ for Laine, 2nd.

Thing was though, Montreal had the cap space. We didn't. With or without Hayes.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

I still hope Amanda Kessel gets promoted to Mrs. GilbertSeinfeld.\

Wait, that's probably a demotion.

 

[Pancakes]

That's more or less POJ for Laine, 2nd.

Thing was though, Montreal had the cap space. We didn't. With or without Hayes.

Yeah we don't have the cap space so it's kinda irrelevant to bitch about Dubas not trying to do that deal.

I honestly think it's a good deal for both sides. Columbus gets rid of a huge cap hit for a player they really didn't want any more. Montreal gets a guy with high upside and they're not currently competing for a playoff spot so if Laine doesn't work out it's no big deal for them. It's a worthwhile risk.

 

[SEALBound]

Yeah we don't have the cap space so it's kinda irrelevant to bitch about Dubas not trying to do that deal.

I honestly think it's a good deal for both sides. Columbus gets rid of a huge cap hit for a player they really didn't want any more. Montreal gets a guy with high upside and they're not currently competing for a playoff spot so if Laine doesn't work out it's no big deal for them. It's a worthwhile risk.

Honestly, I'm very back and forth on Laine as well. In a vacuum, I love what he brings because it's something we REALLY need - raw, high-end shooting talent. But then I think about him costing $8.7mil, being a bit lazy, and having issues with two teams already and I wonder if he would have even been worth the headache. The last time we did that, the results were meh (Karlsson).

Now that said, if Dubas was presented with something like Acciari for Laine + 2nd at the draft before he made the Hayes deal and actively did NOT take it in favor of adding Hayes, then I have to sit down and really think it through. At first reaction, I'm pissed. But the more you dig, the more on the fence I am.

Honestly, I probably would have preferred to just sign Sprong for the league minimum.

 

[SomeDude]

You just made that up, no way it exists man, no way.

This is how they are paid

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yeah we don't have the cap space so it's kinda irrelevant to bitch about Dubas not trying to do that deal.

I honestly think it's a good deal for both sides. Columbus gets rid of a huge cap hit for a player they really didn't want any more. Montreal gets a guy with high upside and they're not currently competing for a playoff spot so if Laine doesn't work out it's no big deal for them. It's a worthwhile risk.

It's true that it's not worth complaining about. Honestly I'm not even a big Laine-gon-bounceback believer. But I dunno... would be nice to take chances (especially considering where the team is currently sitting in the overall picture) on someone with ability as opposed to Kevin flippin' Hayes. Really it's not even about Laine himself so much as how this team clearly views what they want on the roster and do not want. Which is more Hayes/Carter/Harkins types. As much as they can get. Because "low event hockey."

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

It's true that it's not worth complaining about. Honestly I'm not even a big Laine-gon-bounceback believer. But I dunno... would be nice to take chances (especially considering where the team is currently sitting in the overall picture) on someone with ability as opposed to Kevin flippin' Hayes. Really it's not even about Laine himself so much as how this team clearly views what they want on the roster and do not want. Which is more Hayes/Carter/Harkins types. As much as they can get. Because "low event hockey."

Did Laine play hockey at Boston?

He has no place in the organization.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

Do the Pens really need that many scouts in the Boston area?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

It would go a long way towards explaining why there is so much tedious standing around and looking bored on this team the last several years, I suppose.

Maybe the PP regulars are so static because they think they're on base?

I mean, they are reaching the age when dementia sets in.

 

[Gurglesons]

"we don't have the cap space, so hard to bitch about Dubas"

why don't we have the cap space? we still blaming ron hextall?

 

[Pancakes]

"we don't have the cap space, so hard to bitch about Dubas"

why don't we have the cap space? we still blaming ron hextall?

That's a fair point.

But either way Dubas was unable to make this trade so...whatever. Who cares. It'd be different for me if the Pens actually had the space to make a good move and didn't. They don't. So *shrug*

 

[KrisLetAngry]

That sucks ass


I don’t think Columbus was dealing with Pittsburgh. They’ve been desperately trying to be the Pens rivals for over a decade. But it was nice to imagine

I don't either. Just funny how I was told my trade was bad. I think the trade they made was even worse.

Honestly, I'm very back and forth on Laine as well. In a vacuum, I love what he brings because it's something we REALLY need - raw, high-end shooting talent. But then I think about him costing $8.7mil, being a bit lazy, and having issues with two teams already and I wonder if he would have even been worth the headache. The last time we did that, the results were meh (Karlsson).

Now that said, if Dubas was presented with something like Acciari for Laine + 2nd at the draft before he made the Hayes deal and actively did NOT take it in favor of adding Hayes, then I have to sit down and really think it through. At first reaction, I'm pissed. But the more you dig, the more on the fence I am.

Honestly, I probably would have preferred to just sign Sprong for the league minimum.

Yep we can't make the trade if it wasn't offerred.

They may have played super hard ball with us and Dubas was like okay I can get a second here *click

Edit: Id also like to repeat

We got a 2nd 2 3rds and a 6th for a 5th round pick.

We did take on Hayes for 2 years at 3.5 and Glass 1 year at 2.5 but we gained a 2nd 2 3rds and a 6th for a 5th.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Laine AND a second for Harris lmao. Not sure how Montreal pulled that off

Wouldn't surprise me if our organization valued what Hayes brings over what Laine does. Seems to fit Sullivan's MO.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't either. Just funny how I was told my trade was bad. I think the trade they made was even worse.



Yep we can't make the trade if it wasn't offerred.

They may have played super hard ball with us and Dubas was like okay I can get a second here *click

Edit: Id also like to repeat

We got a 2nd 2 3rds and a 6th for a 5th round pick.

We did take on Hayes for 2 years at 3.5 and Glass 1 year at 2.5 but we gained a 2nd 2 3rds and a 6th for a 5th.

Neat, can't wait to draft Teddy Bleuger 2.0 with those picks.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Wouldn't surprise me if our organization valued what Hayes brings over what Laine does. Seems to fit Sullivan's MO.

I would think this is super obvious by now. No disrespect meant.

 

[Andy99]

Wouldn't surprise me if our organization valued what Hayes brings over what Laine does. Seems to fit Sullivan's MO.

Can’t finish and PKs…checks the box lol

 

[OtherThingsILike]

Wouldn't surprise me if our organization valued what Hayes brings over what Laine does. Seems to fit Sullivan's MO.

It's not a given that Laine actually brings anything at this point.
He could bounce back, but at $8.7M, that's a big risk to take. It makes much more sense for Montreal to take that risk than us.

 

[The Old Master]

Neat, can't wait to draft Teddy Bleuger 2.0 with those picks.

we now have something to to our first to move up..... it's all good

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

we now have something to to our first to move up..... it's all good

I feel like NHL teams almost never end up moving up in the draft. When is the last time the Penguins even did? Not just that but what team is gonna realistically budge for the sake of an extra 2nd or 3rd? They know those are kinda useless even if Penguins fans suddenly don't. There are probably at least a handful of recent examples that disprove that but I can't think of them off the top of my head.

NHL drafts are almost as boring as Mike Sullivan hockey. Almost.

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

That Askarov fellow is looking for a new home. Is he going to be any good?

 

[Gurglesons]

That Askarov fellow is looking for a new home. Is he going to be any good?

Yeah, probably will win a Vezina.

we now have something to to our first to move up..... it's all good

Dubas is notorious for doing the opposite. Moving his 1st to go down.

 

[Pancakes]

Askarov is interesting to me because he's highly regarded but his AHL numbers aren't stellar. That's not always a tell-all for success but based on the hype around him I would have expected him to be dominating the AHL and he really isn't.

I'd be hard after him if I were the Devils. They picked up Markstrom but he's old and Askarov would be a great 1b for the future.