Salary Cap: Pens Summer Salary Thread: Dull days of August... Oooo! A trade!

[Honour Over Glory]

It is this. The millisecond the season ends he's back up there skating with his kids. There is no way he wouldn't go there in a heartbeat to finish a career. It doesn't matter about success, it's about playing for the Habs for a dude that loves that city.

That and yeah he'd be home and given his health scares maybe he sees the Penguins current state and realized that if he's going to be in this position why not be in the same but back home. Also the Habs have a better future with their prospect pool so near the end of his contract he might actually sniff some playoff time.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I know it's Madden and he's a wankbucket and a half, but this is something we all joked about or mentioned before if Sid didn't sign and if they blew things up. I mean it could be why Sid maybe doesn't want to sign if we just want to play the rumor game for shits and giggles. That if Letang is not sure if he wants to stay anymore that Sid is maybe like ok so I have a lot of thinking to do with Nate sending him Sid in Avs jerseys from AI.

 

[Turin]

Wouldn’t mind it if Montreal was willing to give up a decent pick.

But.. I fear that would signal maybe Sid would want to move on too and I wouldn't like that

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Sit down with all 3, figure out what they want and make it happen. They want out, get a list of 2-3 teams they really wouldn't mind being moved to and ship them out. It is what it is, we will not be competing anymore for a few years with the way this rosters and some of it's contracts we have going forward

Wouldn’t mind it if Montreal was willing to give up a decent pick.

But.. I fear that would signal maybe Sid would want to move on too and I wouldn't like that

I don't think we're getting a 1st from Montreal, he'll even a 2nd would be tough.. We would probably get a cap dump like Anderson an a young player or 2 like Harris or Barron and a mid level prospect forward as well

 

[Factorial]

I don't think that's accurate. People seem to keep saying this because DOC started to look good individually when put on that line, but the line itself wasn't "improved".

Sid/Rust with DOC - 13 GF - 14 GA
Sid/Rust without DOC - 38 GF - 34 GA

They actually were a minus as a line at 5on5, versus any combination of Sid and Rust without DOC. A lot of the various advanced stats also show this (CF%, FF%, SCF%, SF%). The *only* area it saw a slight improvement was in HDCF%, but even that was marginal (59.4% versus 58.6%).

A lot of the time DOC spent on Sid's line was post Jake time when they all sucked.

Stats can be misleading.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'm not sure you're getting much of anything from Montreal if Letang wants out. Maybe you can get a decent pick or prospect or something, but the real value probably comes from opening up his $6M to take on someone else's garbage for a 1st or something.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I'm not sure you're getting much of anything from Montreal if Letang wants out. Maybe you can get a decent pick or prospect or something, but the real value probably comes from opening up his $6M to take on someone else's garbage for a 1st or something.

I think Montreal would be very interested actually. It's a hometown bloke that has won 3 cups (played in 2 of those playoffs). He put up 51pts in 82 games last year, the healthiest he's ever been, at 37 that's actually incredible.

Maybe the Pens take back Savard and one of their 3rd round picks. That still frees up 3m and they can flip Savard at the deadline as an impending free agent for more assets. I'd still love to get Florian Xhekaj from the Habs.

Kris Letang + Sam Poulin To Montreal
Savard, F. Xhekaj, and 3rd rounder to Pittsburgh

Then you have some extra cap to take on from the Avs when Sid asks to go there after a lot of retention to make the Avs give up a lot more lol.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I don’t really care about Letang but it sounds like something a media personality increasingly desperate for listeners/clicks would make up.

Word is Madden's contract expires at the end of the month. He's sounded on air alternately resigned to unemployment, angry, and desperate at various points this summer.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Word is Madden's contract expires at the end of the month. He's sounded on air alternately resigned to unemployment, angry, and desperate at various points this summer.

He can always promote his future podcast here.

 

[PensandCaps]

Letang only has 2 years left of being a good top 4 Dman, So I don't see how he would fit into Montreal's timeline for competing. Makes zero sense from Montreal's view. So I'm leaning towards it being completely made up by Madden. Why would a last place team want a 36 year old with 2 decent years left? After that, it'll be a terrible cap hit for two years, around the time Montreal would be on the upswing and have to sign their young guys. 6 mil on a 38-39 Letang would be steep.

 

[PensandCaps]

I think Montreal would be very interested actually. It's a hometown bloke that has won 3 cups (played in 2 of those playoffs). He put up 51pts in 82 games last year, the healthiest he's ever been, at 37 that's actually incredible.

Maybe the Pens take back Savard and one of their 3rd round picks. That still frees up 3m and they can flip Savard at the deadline as an impending free agent for more assets. I'd still love to get Florian Xhekaj from the Habs.

Kris Letang + Sam Poulin To Montreal
Savard, F. Xhekaj, and 3rd rounder to Pittsburgh

Then you have some extra cap to take on from the Avs when Sid asks to go there after a lot of retention to make the Avs give up a lot more lol.

Letang had 45 EV points last year, 6 more points than the 10 mil guy. But for some reason one is considered washed. Letang was better than EK.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Letang had 45 EV points last year, 6 more points than the 10 mil guy. But for some reason one is considered washed. Letang was better than EK.

One didn't have Mike Sullivan adjusting his game to play "his way" which threw Karlsson completely off for most of the season.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I mean to f***ing lay that shit against a multiple Norris winner and one of the best offensive defensemen of this f***ing era is comical as shit.


Oh Letang had, who gives a flying f***ing f***.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

58 has declined but he’s still better than much of our D. So if he left this year our D would probably suffer but does it really matter?

Defensively, yes, a bit. Offensively, no, not at all.
His 46 non-PPP's last year was tied for his career high.
If he was on the first unit all year, you're looking at 65 points minimum.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Defensively, yes, a bit. Offensively, no, not at all.
His 46 non-PPP's last year was tied for his career high.
If he was on the first unit all year, you're looking at 65 points minimum.

Are we assuming his high over the net shots are gonna hit or just assists on the man advantage.

 

[Gurglesons]

Word is Madden's contract expires at the end of the month. He's sounded on air alternately resigned to unemployment, angry, and desperate at various points this summer.

I heard that Letang asked Hughes if there was interest and Hughes said no.

Hughes was Letang’s former agent so doesn’t seem absurd.

 

[PensandCaps]

One didn't have Mike Sullivan adjusting his game to play "his way" which threw Karlsson completely off for most of the season.

Letang also had to change his game last season and did pretty well with the adjustments he had to make.

 

[Ugene Magic]

One didn't have Mike Sullivan adjusting his game to play "his way" which threw Karlsson completely off for most of the season.

I mean to f***ing lay that shit against a multiple Norris winner and one of the best offensive defensemen of this f***ing era is comical as shit.


Oh Letang had, who gives a flying f***ing f***.

Sully didn't have one iota influence in how Karlsson did. Karlsson didn't have generational talent eating away at the puck elsewhere. He was the man. Him being a plus player is the takeaway over doing it all and being -21 or whatever.

Karlsson himself is fine at his age, it's his 10.0 dragging him and the team down. I blame Dubas for not paying to get that cap hit down another 2.0.

Expecting Karlsson to go nuclear not being the defector guy is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[Tom Hanks]

It’d be nice to trade the 4.45 mil in capspace of Acciari & Eller so we can take advantage of some teams with cap issues.

Avs will be be facing that soon

https://x.com/i/web/status/1824924333984096678

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Sully didn't have one iota influence in how Karlsson did. Karlsson didn't have generational talent eating away at the puck elsewhere. He was the man. Him being a plus player is the takeaway over doing it all and being -21 or whatever.

Karlsson himself is fine at his age, it's his 10.0 dragging him and the team down. I blame Dubas for not paying to get that cap hit down another 2.0.

Expecting Karlsson to go nuclear not being the defector guy is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Sully doesn't seem to have any fault in anything to you. It seems it's always the player.

 

[GilbertSeinfeld]

It’d be nice to trade the 4.45 mil in capspace of Acciari & Eller so we can take advantage of some teams with cap issues.

Avs will be be facing that soon

https://x.com/i/web/status/1824924333984096678

I'd still be shocked if he returned and managed to finish out his contract.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Sully doesn't seem to have any fault in anything to you. It seems it's always the player.

What are you talking about? Neither had anything to do with this.

Sully isn't to blame for all the woes on this team. Which a lot of you make a case for. There are forces going against this team probably out of everyone's control. That doesn't mean Sully's time as HC hasn't hit the expiration date.

Problem here is, "Bad" ownership, GM and coach.

The team has that greasy, dirty feel to it.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

It's cool that every summer we're like "Wouldn't it be nice to not have $5-8M in dead cap so the team could try to improve or take on other people's garbage for assets". Kapanen, Carter, Granlund, Nieto, McGinn, Acciari, Smith, Graves, Dumo, etc., etc.

Fun team!

 

[ChaosAgent]

People are missing the point with Karlsson so they can do their daily Sully circle jiark.

Karlsson was good at 5-on-5. He was hot garbage on the Powerplay. Bad at absolutely everything 5-on-4. That could be Sully/Rierden, but more likely based on the results in San Jose the guy is just a bad Powerplay QB. It was still worth it to take a shot with him, and maybe it turns around this year.

 

[Pens x]

League min to sign Barrie to help with the PP?