Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Pens Ownership "Dubas... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some waiver players in there."

[ChaosAgent]

Sully will be back but no question the Dubas led roster management will impact his coaching. The days of filling the openings with veteran has beens is over. No question FSG has zerio interest in eating 16 million so sully will be back and real what difference will it make as long as Dubas gives him the play the younger guys and change the losing system. Now sully may want out and that is up to him, the real changes to me are after next season anyway. Rust and Karlsson are traded and either Sid ups for a couple more or not. If not, find out this off season and if he wants to go to a cup contender, Pretty sure the AVS and a couple other teams would give a nice deal for him. But Sid re-ups and you have Poulin, Yager as young centers, plus whatever they get in trades and Ponomarev as well.

I think if they guaranteed Sully would take a different job this summer (the Devils seem to be salivating over him) they would let him go.

 

[Pens x]

I picture the Penguins’ office as completely empty except Dubas sitting in a cubicle outside Sully’s massive office.

 

[Jacob]

I’d be calling Sullivan if I were Buffalo or St. Louis as well.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think if they guaranteed Sully would take a different job this summer (the Devils seem to be salivating over him) they would let him go.

Would be hilarious to see Sullivan absolutely nuke the Devils tbh.

 

[McGroarty2]

I picture the Penguins’ office as completely empty except Dubas sitting in a cubicle outside Sully’s massive office.

I'm pretty sure Dubas would be under Sully's desk.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Would be hilarious to see Sullivan absolutely nuke the Devils tbh.

He'd convince Travis Zajac to come out of retirement and play him in the important minutes ahead of Jack Hughes.

 

[SEALBound]

I edited my last comment, so you might not have seen it…imo, if Yager is going to be a NHL top six player, he should at least make the team this season…players like Pinto, Jarvis, Mercer etc all made the NHL 1-2 seasons after being drafted…this is specific to forwards

The team needs to push HARD to get the AHL exemption if it's true that he can't go there. 3.5 / "4" full seasons is enough. I'm not sure what he gets by playing in a 5th. One thing to be consider is that, I think the likes of Pinto and Mercer and to a lesser extent Jarvis was that the teams actually needed them on the roster. We could run a full roster next year without much worry.

DOC-Sid-Rusty
Bunting-Malkin-Rakell
Smith-Eller-Puustinen
Nieto-Acciari-Puljujarvi

So there's no pressing need for Yager...technically speaking. So he does need to come in and "earn a spot" but at the same time, if the goal is to TRULY get younger - you need to get younger. That's the dumping of Nieto, Acciari, and likely Smith for guys like Yager. He may not be at the exact level you would expect a seasoned NHL player to be but you dedicate the time and make the effort to develop him. And honestly, that's not something we've had to do in a LONG while and quite frankly I question whether or not Sullivan and this staff can or will.

Personally, I like the idea of bringing him in and running 13-14 forwards and doing some load management the same way Anaheim did with Carlsson. Ease him in and put him in good positions. I prefer that route over a 5th season in the WHL. I'd be trying him out on Malkin's wing or even Eller's. I think if it's Malkin's wing, we could make some pretty good combos that give us a balanced attack:

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Rakell-Malkin-Yager
Bunting-Eller-Smith

That assumes everyone else stays and is in the same place (sans the fact I think Dubas does some surgery this off-season but this is for discussion sake).

I think if they guaranteed Sully would take a different job this summer (the Devils seem to be salivating over him) they would let him go.

I imagine there will be focus on Sullivan this off-season. While we always want to assume the worst, I can't imagine his failures are going unnoticed, with this season being the most egregious. If Sullivan wants a bigger role in hockey, such as moving up to be a AGM or maybe wanting to take his coaching elsewhere, he might resign (or rather there would be a mutual parting of ways).

I talked a lot about that being a way to "get rid" of Sullivan. If you can't fire him, promote him out. Sullivan is very ego-driven and prideful. To a fault. And that ego and pride has lost for the 6 years and each year, it's been getting worse. How long does that ego and pride keep getting hit before he wants to ditch out before the bottom falls out?

Something we should be considering. Certainly something I would be asking guys on the inside if I was a journo.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I imagine there will be focus on Sullivan this off-season. While we always want to assume the worst, I can't imagine his failures are going unnoticed, with this season being the most egregious. If Sullivan wants a bigger role in hockey, such as moving up to be a AGM or maybe wanting to take his coaching elsewhere, he might resign (or rather there would be a mutual parting of ways).

I talked a lot about that being a way to "get rid" of Sullivan. If you can't fire him, promote him out. Sullivan is very ego-driven and prideful. To a fault. And that ego and pride has lost for the 6 years and each year, it's been getting worse. How long does that ego and pride keep getting hit before he wants to ditch out before the bottom falls out?

Something we should be considering. Certainly something I would be asking guys on the inside if I was a journo.

This is a good train of thought, but I can't see them spending $12M on Dubas and Sullivan in the front office only to still hire another coach for $3-4M.

I'm at a point though where I'm cool if they spend under the cap just so I don't have to see Sullivan & staff ever again.

 

[SEALBound]

This is a good train of thought, but I can't see them spending $12M on Dubas and Sullivan in the front office only to still hire another coach for $3-4M.

I'm at a point though where I'm cool if they spend under the cap just so I don't have to see Sullivan & staff ever again.

In anyone could, it's FSG. I think you also look at in the context of "Sid's last years" / "One more last ditch effort" etc. If that happens, I think other teams come calling as well. I'd grant them permission and set up the meeting for them.

But it's a good point...Sully does make a ton which sucks.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I talked a lot about that being a way to "get rid" of Sullivan. If you can't fire him, promote him out. Sullivan is very ego-driven and prideful. To a fault. And that ego and pride has lost for the 6 years and each year, it's been getting worse. How long does that ego and pride keep getting hit before he wants to ditch out before the bottom falls out?

Something we should be considering. Certainly something I would be asking guys on the inside if I was a journo.

Not being sarcastic, but hasn't that already happened? I can't imagine any lower you can fall than what happened this year?

-Missed the playoffs barely last year
-Re-tooled and brought in a big name in Karlsson to make one last push
-End up being WORSE than the prior year instead.

Isn't that basically bottoming out?

 

[BusinessGoose]

Not being sarcastic, but hasn't that already happened? I can't imagine any lower you can fall than what happened this year?

-Missed the playoffs barely last year
-Re-tooled and brought in a big name in Karlsson to make one last push
-End up being WORSE than the prior year instead.

Isn't that basically bottoming out?

I ses you don't have your Dubas De-coder Glasses on. They were in every season ticket holder packet.

The team haven't even peaked yet, let alone bottomed out

 

[DesertPenguin]

What are the thoughts on trading our first (if we keep it) for a good young forward under team control and cost effective?

We don't need a young cost effective player. With the right moves, we can fit an 11m forward, or more likely an 8-9m forward and a 3m D. Other than Jake or maybe Monahan I don't know who that would be on the FA market. I'd be looking to go big game hunting for a trade with a team in a cap crunch. Think Phil Kessel 2.0.

 

[Andy99]

I was rewatching Games 6 and 7 of the 2009 Cup…so young and exciting and energetic, and miles away from the schlock being put on the ice today…just sad to watch the Pens in their current state under this coaching staff…

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I was rewatching Games 6 and 7 of the 2009 Cup…so young and exciting and energetic, and miles away from the schlock being put on the ice today…just sad to watch the Pens in their current state under this coaching staff…

Don't worry, just another couple decades more of Sullivan and we'll be back to entertaining hockey again.

 

[lokomotiv15]

This was hilarious. Where my laff reaccs?

I got there, eventually.

 

[HandshakeLine]

The thought of Sullivan having influence over the Baby Pens as AGM is depressing as hell.

 

[The Old Master]

I think if they guaranteed Sully would take a different job this summer (the Devils seem to be salivating over him) they would let him go.

if they want him , they can trade for him.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I hope Sully gets a fork to the thigh ala Barrasso and leaves town as part of the divorce proceedings.

 

[Ryder71]

Would be hilarious to see Sullivan absolutely nuke the Devils tbh.

With the youth, speed and skilled players that team has he'd very likely flourish there.

I was told that FSG would have no problem firing Sully when his absurd extension was announced, because FSG has deep pockets.

Who told you that? Name names!

 

[Andy99]

 

[Pens x]

Sadly, I honestly dont know if this is an April Fool’s day joke or not.

 

[Andy99]

Sadly, I honestly dont know if this is an April Fool’s day joke or not.

April Fools lol but yeah, it could happen …

 

[HandshakeLine]

lol gross

 

[Ulf5]

April Fools lol but yeah, it could happen …

That's the kind of stuff that causes road rage.

 

[eXile3]

April fools is dumb and made dumber by the internet. I can’t remember when I laughed at an April fools joke.