Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Pens Ownership "Dubas... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some waiver players in there."

[Andy99]

We don't have our 2nd. Might not even have our 1st. So it's either 1st and 3rd which is about $5 million aav, which Ottawa easily matches. They have dead cap coming off the books, a rising cap and Joshua Norris coming off his 3rd shoulder surgery in 3 seasons. Most likely back to LTIR.
($4,290,126 - $6,435,186 1 First Round Pick 1 Third Round Pick
$6,435,187 - $8,580,250 1 First Round Pick 1 Second Round Pick 1 Third Round Pick
$8,580,251 - $10,725,314 2 First Round Picks 1 Second Round Pick 1 Third Round Pick)
So that would leave the Penguins having to offer $8.5 million plus. Pinto isn't worth that.

We could offer $6.4 or $8.5. Pinto is a center. He will be one of our top line centers, so yes, he’s worth $8.5

 

[Ulf5]

We could offer $6.4 or $8.5. Pinto is a center. He will be one of our top line centers, so yes, he’s worth $8.5

We dont have our 2025 2nd. So no we can't.

 

[Darren McCord]

We could offer $6.4 or $8.5. Pinto is a center. He will be one of our top line centers, so yes, he’s worth $8.5

No he isnt

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

We could offer $6.4 or $8.5. Pinto is a center. He will be one of our top line centers, so yes, he’s worth $8.5

Don't bet on it.

 

[Ulf5]

No he isnt

2-1sts, 2nd and 3rd- um, no.
But again we can only offer $4.2-$6.4 million. We don't have our 2025 2nd atm. So the 2nd and 3rd tier offers are off limits to us unless we re-acquire our 2nd.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Offer sheet on Pinto would be worth giving up a first and more, something OTT wouldn’t match…

Not sure a guy who has been as injured as often as that guy, and whose best season is 20 goals, would be someone who will move the needle for this club.

I mean, maybe if this club committed to a full rebuild and the idea was to move out the old core and build around a younger core, sure. But assuming this team wants to keep contending (in their minds), I don't see Pinto being a big upgrade up front.

 

[SEALBound]

We could offer $6.4 or $8.5. Pinto is a center. He will be one of our top line centers, so yes, he’s worth $8.5

I would love to have Pinto here and I think he will develop into a tremendous center but I think throwing $8.5mil at guys like him is how you end up with anchor contracts. I imagine Ottawa is regretting Norris at the moment.

Our best bet is to hope Yager can do what Piortas did for Boston - plug that center role 2 years after being drafted.

 

[Andy99]

2-1sts, 2nd and 3rd- um, no.
But again we can only offer $4.2-$6.4 million. We don't have our 2025 2nd atm. So the 2nd and 3rd tier offers are off limits to us unless we re-acquire our 2nd.

When we have no top six centers for the future…I don’t Sid and G holding the fort much longer

I would love to have Pinto here and I think he will develop into a tremendous center but I think throwing $8.5mil at guys like him is how you end up with anchor contracts. I imagine Ottawa is regretting Norris at the moment.

Our best bet is to hope Yager can do what Piortas did for Boston - plug that center role 2 years after being drafted.

I’m not sure Yager is a center at NHL level but maybe…also, if Yager is gonna be a good enough player in the NHL to eventually play in the top six, he should make the team this season…Pinto, Jarvis, Mercer etc all played in the NHL 1-2 seasons after being drafted…

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

When Sid and Geno can't hold the fort (and they already can't), you want this team to be as bad as possible. Throwing the kitchen sink at Pinto ain't it.

 

[Andy99]

When Sid and Geno can't hold the fort (and they already can't), you want this team to be as bad as possible. Throwing the kitchen sink at Pinto ain't it.

We still may not be bad enough lol…couldn’t even make top 10 worst teams this season

 

[Ulf5]

Not sure a guy who has been as injured as often as that guy, and whose best season is 20 goals, would be someone who will move the needle for this club.

I mean, maybe if this club committed to a full rebuild and the idea was to move out the old core and build around a younger core, sure. But assuming this team wants to keep contending (in their minds), I don't see Pinto being a big upgrade up front.

I only see the shoulder injury that lost almost his whole 1st season. Year before he joined the team after the college season. And last year he was suspended for 41. But the rest is valid.

 

[SEALBound]

When we have no top six centers for the future…I don’t Sid and G holding the fort much longer



I’m not sure Yager is a center at NHL level but maybe

I think he will be. Maybe not immediately, or maybe not a top-line center right away, but I think he can develop into it. Unless they try to harness and push his goal-scoring side and stick him on the wing to be a triggerman which I would also support.

If we keep the top 10 pick this year, unless it's Demidov, I think we go center. Practically speaking, that would be Catton or Heleius. Having those two, in addition to Ponomarov and Poulin, would be okay center depth moving forward, provided Yager and Catton/Helenius develop into top-six centers and Pono and Poulin are capable bottom-six centers.

My hope would be - Yager and Catton/Helenius get time in the top 6 on the wings of Sid and Geno and then shift over for spot duty when needed then take over full time once they retire. I think it's doable unless Sullivan forces them into the bottom 6 "you may only play defense and we plan on neutering you offensively". Lord knows we don't need more Teddy Bleugers.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

Don't bet on it.

This was hilarious. Where my laff reaccs?

 

[Andy99]

I think he will be. Maybe not immediately, or maybe not a top-line center right away, but I think he can develop into it. Unless they try to harness and push his goal-scoring side and stick him on the wing to be a triggerman which I would also support.

If we keep the top 10 pick this year, unless it's Demidov, I think we go center. Practically speaking, that would be Catton or Heleius. Having those two, in addition to Ponomarov and Poulin, would be okay center depth moving forward, provided Yager and Catton/Helenius develop into top-six centers and Pono and Poulin are capable bottom-six centers.

My hope would be - Yager and Catton/Helenius get time in the top 6 on the wings of Sid and Geno and then shift over for spot duty when needed then take over full time once they retire. I think it's doable unless Sullivan forces them into the bottom 6 "you may only play defense and we plan on neutering you offensively". Lord knows we don't need more Teddy Bleugers.

I edited my last comment, so you might not have seen it…imo, if Yager is going to be a NHL top six player, he should at least make the team this season…players like Pinto, Jarvis, Mercer etc all made the NHL 1-2 seasons after being drafted…this is specific to forwards

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

We still may not be bad enough lol…couldn’t even make top 10 worst teams this season

This team's been barely a one line team for years, and now that Jake's off to greener pastures, they're like a half line team. They better kick SJ the pick this year, and as boring as it is as a fan, the team ending up like 13th overall would be the best outcome.

 

[Pens x]

I was told that FSG would have no problem firing Sully when his absurd extension was announced, because FSG has deep pockets.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

I was told that FSG would have no problem firing Sully when his absurd extension was announced, because FSG has deep pockets.

But then we'll always be looking for another Sully.

 

[Zbynek]

But then we'll always be looking for another Sully.

Blaming is the coach is low hanging fruit, an easy target. Please ask different questions folks.

 

[chethejet]

Sully will be back but no question the Dubas led roster management will impact his coaching. The days of filling the openings with veteran has beens is over. No question FSG has zerio interest in eating 16 million so sully will be back and real what difference will it make as long as Dubas gives him the play the younger guys and change the losing system. Now sully may want out and that is up to him, the real changes to me are after next season anyway. Rust and Karlsson are traded and either Sid ups for a couple more or not. If not, find out this off season and if he wants to go to a cup contender, Pretty sure the AVS and a couple other teams would give a nice deal for him. But Sid re-ups and you have Poulin, Yager as young centers, plus whatever they get in trades and Ponomarev as well.

 

[66-30-33]

Sully will be back but no question the Dubas led roster management will impact his coaching. The days of filling the openings with veteran has beens is over. No question FSG has zerio interest in eating 16 million so sully will be back and real what difference will it make as long as Dubas gives him the play the younger guys and change the losing system. Now sully may want out and that is up to him, the real changes to me are after next season anyway. Rust and Karlsson are traded and either Sid ups for a couple more or not. If not, find out this off season and if he wants to go to a cup contender, Pretty sure the AVS and a couple other teams would give a nice deal for him. But Sid re-ups and you have Poulin, Yager as young centers, plus whatever they get in trades and Ponomarev as well.

Well, I hope they enjoy sucking and not making the playoffs anymore. I aint going through another season like this unless the games in the backround while I am doing other things. If you're going to suck rebuild! don't play these games of trying to compete for cups while sucking like a lotto team.

 

[Pancakes]

I was told that FSG would have no problem firing Sully when his absurd extension was announced, because FSG has deep pockets.

I don't think the problem is how deep or not their pockets are.

Think they genuinely worship the ground Sully walks on.

 

[Jacob]

I definitely see no reason to keep Smith. Some team will probably see value in his playoff experience, short term and offense, but I also don’t see how we can’t replace his 15ish goals internally via Poulin or Ponomarev or someone, for 1/5th the price.

Just take a 5th and send him back to Vegas at the draft.

 

[Rudy Russo]

I definitely see no reason to keep Smith. Some team will probably see value in his playoff experience, short term and offense, but I also don’t see how we can’t replace his 15ish goals internally via Poulin or Ponomarev or someone, for 1/5th the price.

Just take a 5th and send him back to Vegas at the draft.

I've read Marchessault is looking for a three to four year deal for his next contract and Vegas is ready to move on from him so Smith back to Vegas could be a go.

 

[66-30-33]

I don't think the problem is how deep or not their pockets are.

Think they genuinely worship the ground Sully walks on.

For what? something he did nearly 10 years ago? living in the past?

 

[chethejet]

FSG doesn't see sullivan as the issue. He is but ownership is simply not very good at winning. Red Sox are picked last in AL east. That is unthinkable to the Red Sox fans. It is not like you can sign some high priced winger in soccer here. Profitable is one thing but when you have the resources to compete to win and continue to make investment related decisions vs actual what do we need to do to win decisions, teams go south.