Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Pens Ownership "Dubas... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some waiver players in there."

[Gurglesons]

Toronto would never trade Dubas Marner lol

 

[BusinessGoose]

Fans are f***ing stupid.

Yeah. I mean, people really are. And fans are people.

 

[T1K]

Who said anything about before Crosby and Malkin?

Every last word you wrote about Gaudreau is false. He signed in Columbus because that's where he wanted to raise a family. 'He chose us': How and why star winger Johnny Gaudreau became a Blue Jacket

My bad, I misread the 1st part of your post. I thought you said before Sid and Geno.

As far as Johnny Hockey goes, he picked Columbus because he wanted to play in a low pressure market where he could dog it.

What specifically is so shitty about Pittsburgh’s market? Free agents don’t give a shit about a teams prospects unless it’s a Bedard-level talent. If you have cap space free agents will be interested.

 

[Rudy Russo]

That may explain his up and down season. But he sucked before coming here.

True. From what I read before he signed with the penguins was Marino was carrying that d-pairing. I'm looking forward to seeing St. Ivany with Ludwig tonight.

 

[Ryder71]

Geno is currently 59th amongst forwards in terms of production. By players classified as centers he is 41st.

We can hold off on the "Geno's career is over" nonsense that people want to pander. He has the same amont of points as Casey Mittlestadt who just returned Byram in a trade.

Cool, but considering the construction of the team he needs to be in the top twenty in that category. Nowhere near the player he once was. And sadly none of them are. That's the part you're not understanding. 41st? lmao

 

[ZorkEnchanter]

Here's a general breakdown:
1. The Stars players MOVE into threatening positions. They make themselves open for passes that facilitate said movement.
2. The players move themselves into shooting positions so that they COULD shoot if they do get the pass.
3. They do not pass up good shooting opportunities.

The Penguins on the other hand do NOT move well, rarely do they move themselves into scoring positions, when they get the puck (especially at the point), it's not a one-timer capable pass and receipt, and they rarely take good shots. It's comically bad.

But man... if we lose Mike Sullivan we'll have to find the next guy (like Sullivan) who f***ing can't coach. Super hard to do....

 

[Gurglesons]

Cool, but considering the construction of the team he needs to be in the top twenty in that category. Nowhere near the player he once was. And sadly none of them are. That's the part you're not understanding. 41st? lmao

Not really. He's making 6 million.

 

[SEALBound]

But man... if we lose Mike Sullivan we'll have to find the next guy (like Sullivan) who f***ing can't coach. Super hard to do....

If the goal is to boost scoring, Bruce Boudreau is who I would go after. Or Gallant

 

[Victor Z]

If the goal is to boost scoring, Bruce Boudreau is who I would go after. Or Gallant

Remember when we first brought in Dipso Dan, and "get to our game" was the philosophy? IOW, go out there and actually use your skill instead of being stifled by some rigid framework that isn't effective.

Too bad that was Dipso's ENTIRE coaching philosophy and he was utterly clueless about that X's and O's stuff. But it sure did work for a little while. And back then the team actually had some skill. They probably still do, but as each game goes by it's getting harder to tell.

 

[Ryder71]

Not really. He's making 6 million.

Great, but the second tier players aren't producing at a level we'd need to aptly insulate the aging stars when their numbers aren't what they once were.

 

[Gurglesons]

Great, but the second tier players aren't producing at a level we'd need to aptly insulate the aging stars when their numbers aren't what they once were.

That ain’t Malkin’s fault.

 

[Ryder71]

That ain’t Malkin’s fault.

Bunting keeps scoring, hmmmm.

 

[Gurglesons]

Bunting keeps scoring, hmmmm.

Still not impressed with his game. If Dubas can get rid of one of the Rust, Rakell or Smith contracts, I'll be more appreciative of his contract.

 

[Phil68]

Cool, but considering the construction of the team he needs to be in the top twenty in that category. Nowhere near the player he once was. And sadly none of them are. That's the part you're not understanding. 41st? lmao

Who is Malkin playing with. Name one halfway ok winger he has played with all year. Look at Crosby, take away Jake, give him Malkin wingers, see how Crosby is a non factor at all. I mean heck even Malkin made Drew O'Connor produce here and there. Crosby, niet, zilch, nada. Imagine is Crosby had those type of wingers all year long. He would not have produces has many point he has this year and not even close. Futhermore see most teams second line centers this year, see if they are playing with much better crop of wingers Malkin has played with.

 

[Ryder71]

Who is Malkin playing with. Name one halfway ok winger he has played with all year. Look at Crosby, take away Jake, give him Malkin wingers, see how Crosby is a non factor at all. I mean heck even Malkin made Drew O'Connor produce here and there. Crosby, niet, zilch, nada. Imagine is Crosby had those type of wingers all year long. He would not have produces has many point he has this year and not even close. Futhermore see most teams second line centers this year, see if they are playing with much better crop of wingers Malkin has played with.

Considering these are generational talents and still good players (according to some) maybe they should elevate their wingers? No one is saying they can't?

 

[Come on]

Who is Malkin playing with. Name one halfway ok winger he has played with all year. Look at Crosby, take away Jake, give him Malkin wingers, see how Crosby is a non factor at all. I mean heck even Malkin made Drew O'Connor produce here and there. Crosby, niet, zilch, nada. Imagine is Crosby had those type of wingers all year long. He would not have produces has many point he has this year and not even close. Futhermore see most teams second line centers this year, see if they are playing with much better crop of wingers Malkin has played with.

Malkin didn't make DOC produce you clod.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Yes Crosby at 27 would be doing what McDavid does for the Oilers every year.

Crosby at 27 would have 100 points at this point. Adding an extra 30 goals to the roster (who scores them who knows)

That's the main problem. The last 2 GMs never really set us up for Older Crosby and Malkin. Minus Guentzel we never drafted that top line forward.

Let's be real, most of the previous GMs didn't really set us up for younger Crosby and Malkin either.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

If the goal is to boost scoring, Bruce Boudreau is who I would go after. Or Gallant

At this point I'd rather have Bruce Gallant or Gerard Boudreau coaching this team.

 

[chethejet]

Sometimes luck just comes ones way and Pens had it in spades with Sid and Geno back to back. Priority number 1 is getting talent ib the system. Toronto was lucky with Mathews falling to them. BUt still Dubas and scouts have to hit it with this years draft. Trade Smith for a second and begin the real process of adding talent for development.

 

[eXile3]

At some point does Sid get pissed with the talent surrounding him? It’s pretty obvious he’s not going to be as productive without some talent to play with which was expected.

 

[Andy99]

At some point does Sid get pissed with the talent surrounding him? It’s pretty obvious he’s not going to be as productive without some talent to play with which was expected.

It’s not that I don’t love Sid and want him here anymore. But if he really wanted to do the team a solid, he would allow himself to get traded this summer going into the last year of his deal and then sign another short term contract w the Pens next summer . Just imagine the assets we could get and possibly flip to get him a better team in 25-26 lol

 

[BusinessGoose]

Sid has probably played with lesser teammates than himself his entire life.

I don't think that's new territory.

The losing might be.

There's almost no way he'll flip himself at the TDL though. That would be the most team forward thing to do, but it's pretty video-gamey. Lol.

 

[chethejet]

Dubas trading Sid would be catastrophic if he was the initiator. But if Sid wants to go to a real cup contender as some have suggested like the AV's can't blame him for that. Dubas knows that is a very difficult issue and FSG knows Sid still headlines the buying public. Yet Sid at this point deserves to make that choice and if he wants to go that way, Dubas had better position it to sell the ticket holders but make a really good deal if traded. Boston traded Bourke and Oilers traded Gretzky. Not quite the same but still franchises and fans move on from that.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Bunting is starting to win me over. What a breath of fresh air.
Shame the team sucks and he's wasting his prime here. Oh well.

 

[Pancakes]

Sid isn't going anywhere. He has three cups. He wants to be a one team guy.