Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Pens Ownership "Dubas... that Coca-Cola machine. I want you to shoot the lock off it. There may be some waiver players in there."

[Andy99]

Sid isn't going anywhere. He has three cups. He wants to be a one team guy.

I know but if he really cared about the Pens, he would, and then return the following season lol

 

[BusinessGoose]

I know but if he really cared about the Pens, he would, and then return the following season lol

Pens never get to do things like this or cap circumvention lol

We are by the book and we hang from the hook for it

 

[wheelz87]

Seeing Jake in a cane uni makes me cringe. Sid? **** that.

 

[Sidgeni Malkby]

Still not impressed with his game. If Dubas can get rid of one of the Rust, Rakell or Smith contracts, I'll be more appreciative of his contract.

Honestly like what Bunting brings for $4.5M. However notice the trend, all new players start off well (Smith, Rakell, even Carter) until they become Sullified.

I can’t say this enough. Sully is 100% the biggest problem here! I bet you Graves becomes useful under a new coach.

That being said, I want Smith gone for sure.
Rackel next.
Rust we may have to have on to.

Depends on what’s available on the UFA market. Hard to replace 3 top 6 in a season.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Sid has probably played with lesser teammates than himself his entire life.

I don't think that's new territory.

The losing might be.

There's almost no way he'll flip himself at the TDL though. That would be the most team forward thing to do, but it's pretty video-gamey. Lol.

The bolded is what I'm curious about. I know Sid wants to be a Penguin for life, but everything about his obsession of hockey suggests he also likes to win.

If the Penguins continue to miss the playoffs year after year, does Sid's desire to be a lifetime Penguin supersede his desire to actually make the playoffs and compete for another Cup? At what point is the allure of playing for the same team his entire career starting to wane compared to his competitive nature's desire to play in games that matter?

Because as it stands, this team looks like it's going to be a perennial non-playoff team. This season will be 2 in a row and with the loss of Guentzel and the aging core getting even older, it's likely going to continue.

So does him remaining a Penguin mean enough to him that he's okay with playing out his remaining 5 or whatever years of his career on a team constantly missing the playoffs?

 

[BusinessGoose]

Seeing Jake in a cane uni makes me cringe. Sid? **** that.

Is it worse that he also isn't C?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

The bolded is what I'm curious about. I know Sid wants to be a Penguin for life, but everything about his obsession of hockey suggests he also likes to win.

If the Penguins continue to miss the playoffs year after year, does Sid's desire to be a lifetime Penguin supersede his desire to actually make the playoffs and compete for another Cup? At what point is the allure of playing for the same team his entire career starting to wane compared to his competitive nature's desire to play in games that matter?

Because as it stands, this team looks like it's going to be a perennial non-playoff team. This season will be 2 in a row and with the loss of Guentzel and the aging core getting even older, it's likely going to continue.

So does him remaining a Penguin mean enough to him that he's okay with playing out his remaining 5 or whatever years of his career on a team constantly missing the playoffs?

Yeah. This team will not be able to replace Guentzel, and we are seeing what they look like without even one high end winger. Not pretty.

But even if Crosby were open to a move - and given management's statements and recent actions who could blame him - I have zero confidence in Dubas getting a worthwhile return. It'd probably be another middle 6 tweener signed for 2 years at market rate and a collection of unremarkable futures that you have to scan past the halfway mark of a team's best prospects to look up and reverse engineer some enthusiasm for.

What a deal!

 

[wheelz87]

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Is it worse that he also isn't C?

Let’s just say Mackinnon in a pens jersey is my preferred option here

 

[Jobeycool]

The only way to fix this team is a total over all except for Crosby ..let people learn the hard way.

 

[Pens x]

Boston traded Bourke and Oilers traded Gretzky. Not quite the same but still franchises and fans move on from that.

Good old Rae Bourke.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Good old Rae Bourke.

Bourke and Gertsky.

 

[ChaosAgent]

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Is it worse that he also isn't C?

Looks great, not gonna lie. Doubt it happens though.

 

[Jacob]

St. Ivany got called up?

 

[Gurglesons]

St. Ivany got called up?

He played last game lol

 

[Jacob]

He played last game lol

Heh. Missed the game.

 

[66-30-33]

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Is it worse that he also isn't C?

He looks good in an Avs jersey.

Heh. Missed the game.

If you've seen 1 game you've seen them all, they play the same way. You didn't miss the game at all.

 

[SomeDude]

Pens never get to do things like this or cap circumvention lol

We are by the book and we hang from the hook for it

Hey, there was that time when we traded Recchi for franchise altering talent Niklas Nordgren then signed him back in the summer.

 

[Al Smith]

Heh. Missed the game.

He beat Jarry with a deflection. Other than that he didn't look out of place. It would be nice to have him or someone like that come out of WBS and be a solid low-cost bottom pairing guy.

 

[66-30-33]

He beat Jarry with a deflection. Other than that he didn't look out of place. It would be nice to have him or someone like that come out of WBS and be a solid low-cost bottom pairing guy.

We did, we had Shea and Ludvig play good on the bottom pair for a while.

 

[Turin]

The Karlsson trade was still a no brainer btw. The coaching staff just f***ed it up. Only way to hate on it is if you wish Petry and Granlund were still here so Celebrini would be in the bag.

 

[Andy99]

Watching Panthers-Rangers, it’s like a whole different sport from the “hockey” the Pens play …pucks are moving quicker, passes are crisper, players are constantly moving together with purpose…Pens play hockey like how a nursing home full of cerebral palsy patients would play ….will not be watching if Sullivan is coaching next season lol

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The Karlsson trade was still a no brainer btw. The coaching staff just f***ed it up. Only way to hate on it is if you wish Petry and Granlund were still here so Celebrini would be in the bag.

Seriously. Anyone who thinks the Karlsson trade was bad is using hindsight. He was exactly what (on paper) this team needed -- an elite puck mover that could generate offense from the back end.

The problem is the coach seemed intent on "neutering" him and as a result we didn't get the offensive weapon we were expecting, but still got the defensive warts.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Watching Panthers-Rangers, it’s like a whole different sport from the “hockey” the Pens play …pucks are moving quicker, passes are crisper, players are constantly moving together with purpose…Pens play hockey like how a nursing home full of cerebral palsy patients would play ….will not be watching if Sullivan is coaching next season lol

Suuuuuuuure, buddy.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

The Karlsson trade was still a no brainer btw. The coaching staff just f***ed it up. Only way to hate on it is if you wish Petry and Granlund were still here so Celebrini would be in the bag.

I disagree. That's a 10M commitment for 4 seasons to a player that doesn't play at a 10M level, during years when the window is already closed. That money should have been used to take on bad contracts in exchange for futures.
It was a horrible idea from a practical perspective. I only wanted it done so that this year would be more entertaining, since they're squeamish about rebuilding.

Petry only had 2 years left. Granlund 2 years. Rutta was maybe 500k overpaid.
The wiser move would have been to keep them and just eat them. Let the contracts expire. Then all that money is free to be used on something that helps the future in 2025-26 and 2026-27.
Nothing would change in terms of the missing the playoffs outcome, and we'd at least get some picks at some point in this 4 year window. But now we won't make the playoffs in any of these years AND won't weaponize that cap space into something useful.

Seriously. Anyone who thinks the Karlsson trade was bad is using hindsight. He was exactly what (on paper) this team needed -- an elite puck mover that could generate offense from the back end.

The problem is the coach seemed intent on "neutering" him and as a result we didn't get the offensive weapon we were expecting, but still got the defensive warts.

We didn't need someone that gets us more standings points. We needed to rebuild, since we were done winning Cups for a very long time, Karlsson or no Karlsson. The timing was stupid.
They needed to embrace the reality of the dire situation, but they refused to. Now here were are...totally f***ed.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The EK trade made sense because it rid the team of some meh/bad players and gave one last homerun swing at things to prove that A. the era's dead, and B. Sully's incompetent. But I'll be damned if this team's capable of learning or acknowledging failures, so buckle up for more dogshit hockey until Sid decides he's gonna allow the era to die and the organization to turn the page.