Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: If we score 6 we win, its science!

[Zbynek]

If the Pens don’t right the ship, Hextall won’t be here at the deadline, thankfully.


My favorite kool aid theory thrown around to defend this boneheaded decision was that Hextall had a trade line up, and the team acquiring him requested that we sign him for two years, not one.

Yea that is what is known as the "denial" stage. Checking my posts, my first reaction was "Please be a sign and trade", but that quickly changed the next day July 23rd to "Kapanen is f***ing terrible". That's the "anger" phase (we're still in this phase).

 

[chethejet]

There are a couple issues here that just are beyond hockey. One is sullivan and his extension for 3 more years. New ownership handcuffed the GM and changes that needed to be made. Once that happened Hextall has limited power. Secondly Sully hasn't had any inclination to change especially now that he is not held to any account for playoff exits in the first round. Lastly, Ownership wanted the status quo for another couple of years and no matter what those contracts are baked into the mix.

Now cap room next year is nice and I expect the WB guys to be the players who fill the roles of Dumo, Zucker, and bottom 6 openings. Pens miss the playoffs and under normal circumstances that leads to firings. The only way things get better is Sullivan and his system and inflexibility are replaced. And only Sid has the juice to do that.

 

[Gurglesons]

Wish we could move Dumoulin for nothing and steal Mike Reilly from Boston.

 

[Turin]

HFPens and HFBlues are literally mirrors right now

Watch it be the cup preview

Malkin never wanted to leave Pittsburgh, so biz-wise a game of chicken was fair play. It's still embarrassing how it played out. You don't do that to a future HOF player whose jersey is going in the rafters.

Geno is a f***ing pro for not taking that personally in the end and agreeing to stay. He loves playing with Sid and Tanger and he loves playing in Pittsburgh. We are lucky to have him.


This is by far the worst our bottom 6 has looked in at least 15 years. Not even close.

When Josh Archibald is your best player in the bottom 6 you know somebody f***ed up.

2014 and 2015 were definitely worse bottom sixes. Carter and Blueger being injured definitely hurts it.

 

[66-30-33]

I really think Sulli has to go. But... this team is headed for inevitable decline. So.... until the Penguins decide to sell everything for picks to get some new 18 year old kid star to center a build around...... nothing matters.

They been declining for years. Look at our playoffs as proof...we used to atleast go to round 2 or 3. Now we are one of the oldest teams in the NHL and in a few years will have lost in the 1st round for SEVEN years straight.

 

[Turin]

They been declining for years. Look at our playoffs as proof...we used to atleast go to round 2 or 3. Now we are one of the oldest teams in the NHL and in a few years will have lost in the 1st round for SEVEN years straight.

Why are we counting multiple years in advance?.. Lol

They’ve lost in round one 4 years in a row.

 

[66-30-33]

Why are we counting multiple years in advance?.. Lol

They’ve lost in round one 4 years in a row.

Because we are keeping Sullivan.

 

[Zbynek]

Watch it be the cup preview


2014 and 2015 were definitely worse bottom sixes. Carter and Blueger being injured definitely hurts it.

No chance

I'd take Brandon Sutter over Carter any day of the week.

I'd also take a 2014 Blake Comeau and Pascal Dupuis over any single winger in our bottom 6 currently. Heinen is more or less on those guys level but not by much.

Then you have Steve Downie. Dunno about you but im taking him over Archibald

Spaling, Goc, and Lapierre sucked though, I'll give you that.

 

[McGroarty2]

No chance

I'd take Brandon Sutter over Carter any day of the week.

I'd also take a 2014 Blake Comeau and Pascal Dupuis over any single winger in our bottom 6 currently. Heinen is more or less on those guys level but not by much.

Then you have Steve Downie. Dunno about you but im taking him over Archibald

Spaling, Goc, and Lapierre sucked though, I'll give you that.

I want an Asham and an Engelland.

 

[Turin]

No chance

I'd take Brandon Sutter over Carter any day of the week.

I'd also take a 2014 Blake Comeau and Pascal Dupuis over any single winger in our bottom 6 currently. Heinen is more or less on those guys level but not by much.

Then you have Steve Downie. Dunno about you but im taking him over Archibald

Spaling, Goc, and Lapierre sucked though, I'll give you that.

I wouldn’t. Comeau and Dupuis weren’t bottom sixers. Downie was a net negative due to his penalties. Glass, Adams, Goc, Lapierre are enough to disprove this idea.

 

[Zbynek]

I wouldn’t. Comeau and Dupuis weren’t bottom sixers. Downie was a net negative due to his penalties. Glass, Adams, Goc, Lapierre are enough to disprove this idea.

At that stage in his career Duper was. And when Comeau came here he was actually playing on the 4th line. Our top 6 fixtures at the time were: Kunitz, Horny, Perron and Bennett. When Comeau started playing well he worked his way up the lineup (this was pre-Sullivan era so that could actually happen) but I remember him playing the most with Sutter. He probably got some time with Geno here and there because of how frail Beau Bennett was but still only averaged 15:17 TOI for the '14/'15 campaign. So 3rd liner mins.

Anyway, factoring in Kap, McGinn and Carter's contracts today, that's as bad as anything I can think of in recent Pens history. The guys you mentioned never cleared 1 million.

 

[McGroarty2]

Guentzel Crosby Rakell
Zucker Malkin Rust
Poehling Carter Kapanen
Heinen Blueger Archibald/McGinn

Pettersson Letang
Dumoulin Petry
Joseph Rutta
Smith Ruhwedel

 

[Pancakes]

Genuine question; How do you retool when your roster is pretty much set for a couple of years? You have Zucker, Heinen, Blueger, Dumo coming off the books--potentially, I'm still not convinced Zucker or Dumo are let go. So you've got an opening on Geno's wing, some bottom-6 trash to replace, and a LD of some degree depending on how things shake out with Petts, POJ and Smith in the next calendar year.

I don't think this team has any attractive pieces to sell off unless they're moving Jake, which, just pack it up if that's the case.

I think the whole retool on the fly while being a team from Pittsburgh is, uh... Optimistic. I'll say that cuz what I actually think about it is probably a mod warning waiting to happen. We're gonna cruise out the era with this ever worsening, declining team and just start from scratch when the canoe goes over the waterfall and gets decimated on the rocks below.

If the Pens stink badly this year and miss the playoffs, I'd trade Dumo/Kapanen (latter might be hard), and look long and hard at the rest of the roster. And hope Uncle Gary spreads some lottery love.

Also try to retool the bottom six as much as possible, but only so much they can do there.

 

[Pens x]

I’m glad we all agree the bottom six is largely garbage. You can’t blame JR for it.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If the Pens stink badly this year and miss the playoffs, I'd trade Dumo/Kapanen (latter might be hard), and look long and hard at the rest of the roster. And hope Uncle Gary spreads some lottery love.

Also try to retool the bottom six as much as possible, but only so much they can do there.

I don't think this changes much of anything, now or moving forward, to be brutally honest.

I think they should be shopping Dumo, but I don't know that many teams are super interested in the modern day version of Scuderi.

 

[Pancakes]

I don't think this changes much of anything, now or moving forward, to be brutally honest.

I think they should be shopping Dumo, but I don't know that many teams are super interested in the modern day version of Scuderi.

Teams will line up to trade for Dumo at the TDL if we make him available.

People trade picks for like Luke Schenn and shit like that every deadline. Dumo with his pedigree would definitely get an overpayment out of someone.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Teams will line up to trade for Dumo at the TDL if we make him available.

People trade picks for like Luke Schenn and shit like that every deadline. Dumo with his pedigree would definitely get an overpayment out of someone.

I guess, and I don't completely disagree cuz GMs are notoriously dumb and resume fetishists, but I'm not as confident as you that it's a guarantee.

 

[Pancakes]

I guess, and I don't completely disagree cuz GMs are notoriously dumb and resume fetishists, but I'm not as confident as you that it's a guarantee.

If you go back and look at the past few deadlines, I guarantee you'll find players much worse than Dumo that got disturbingly good returns.

And Dumo has the two cup pedigree. There's tons of GMs that would be all in for that alone

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If you go back and look at the past few deadlines, I guarantee you'll find players much worse than Dumo that got disturbingly good returns.

And Dumo has the two cup pedigree. There's tons of GMs that would be all in for that alone

Dumo's been *baaaaaad*, dude. Again, I agree that GMs are f***ing idiots. I'm sure somebody would kick the tires, but I don't think you're getting much for this Dumo.

If you can get anything, move his ass yesterday. This is a multi-year issue, not a few weeks. Which goes back to the feeling I get that this team isn't ready to cut ties with Dumo. At worst, I think they'll keep him around as a 3LD.

 

[Pancakes]

Dumo's been *baaaaaad*, dude. Again, I agree that GMs are f***ing idiots. I'm sure somebody would kick the tires, but I don't think you're getting much for this Dumo.

If you can get anything, move his ass yesterday. This is a multi-year issue, not a few weeks. Which goes back to the feeling I get that this team isn't ready to cut ties with Dumo. At worst, I think they'll keep him around as a 3LD.

I don't think we'd get much right this second. But at the deadline teams will be looking for depth, and I'd be surprised with his pedigree if we couldn't get at least a second rounder for him.

Maybe even a first if some team was that desperate. You laugh, but people do really dumb shit every year for players like Dumo.

Like look at the Ben Chiarot deal last year for instance. Teams just do dumb ass shit every tdl

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't think we'd get much right this second. But at the deadline teams will be looking for depth, and I'd be surprised with his pedigree if we couldn't get at least a second rounder for him.

Maybe even a first if some team was that desperate. You laugh, but people do really dumb shit every year for players like Dumo.

Like look at the Ben Chiarot deal last year for instance. Teams just do dumb ass shit every tdl

Yeah, no, I get it. I agree.

I'm just sayin', I don't even know if we get to step one which is Sullivan and Hextall realizing Dumo should be dealt. I'd be shopping the dude for about a calendar year by now.

 

[Pancakes]

Yeah, no, I get it. I agree.

I'm just sayin', I don't even know if we get to step one which is Sullivan and Hextall realizing Dumo should be dealt. I'd be shopping the dude for about a calendar year by now.

Oh for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if we re-sign Dumo for some dumb reason. Hopefully they realize he's cooked and move on.

 

[Zbynek]

How much do we have to pay to dump Kapanen in Arizona?

 

[HandshakeLine]

How much do we have to pay to dump Kapanen in Arizona?

We just forget to tell him we changed the flight time home next time we play them. Bam, simple.

 

[chethejet]

Press box nachos Kap needs to be waived. If he is claimed which is unlikely, Pens unload the cap hit. If he isn't he goes to WB to work on his game and Pens still have some cap relief. Lastly he doesn't report to WB and then Pens have a couple options. In any event, waive him and move on. He either works his way back and improves his game or he doesn't. But that is to much money to sit up here.