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Zirakzigil

Zirakzigil

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Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.
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Dipsy Doodle said:
Based on what?
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Based on everything? What do you want? Game tape of him skating in sand? Examples of him relying on the power play (Kessel esque). Examples of him failing with good linemates after everyone clammored about how he never gets any? Examples of how we've been a 1 line team for 2 years - whether he's healthy or not?

Geno of yesteryear would dominate regardless of game type or situation. Geno of today is slower, less lethal, can't make it work against stingier defensive teams, almost never drives a play resulting in a scoring opportunity - typically relies on a play to unfold while he's on the ice. He's just not the playmaker he once was. I don't see how anyone can refute this whatsoever.

I mean - if all someone did was look at stats - they'd think all PPG players are made equal. That's just a fallacy. At this point Geno plays like an elite winger....nothing wrong with that and nothing to scoff at... but if you're putting him in your lineup to be driving offense and you're relying heavily on that (sort of how the Pens have been constructed for years) - you're going to be left with a lot to be desired.

This is coming from a big Malkin fan. Sorry. I just don't find it diffficult at all to see it. Hell - I've had family text me in the last several playoffs saying things like "is that Malkin injured or something." "jesus dude Geno looks like he's skating in sand.".... casual fans can see it. Unless you've got blinders on - I don't know how others don't as well. He's taken the biggest steps back of any player outside of maybe Dumo.
 
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Mr Jiggyfly said:
I was talking about Hextall’s stance not changing for a year and Wendy’s.

You started shaking your fist at a cloud shaped like Jeff Carter’s missing teeth and I lost you.

Bout where I’m at.. and I love grape but it turns your shit green so that’s a no go kid.
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I'm still not following. :laugh:

I mean, at the end of the day, it's just us banging on about nothing, so it's all good. :laugh:
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Also, I actually just read that Rossi article and I'm just really confused for the angle he's going for here. If Malkin was truly that devastated about not signing yet and wanted to come back to Pittsburgh that badly, why wouldn't he just take the 3x6 offer that Hextall made? Why does Malkin give a crap if it's 3x6 or 4x6 if he's so devastated to not be signed yet?

This looks like a "woe is me!" article coming from Malkin's agent more than anything. The big bad Penguins are disrespecting poor old Geno because they only want him back on their terms! Poor old Geno is devastated and is crying himself to sleep because he doesn't have a contract yet!

This just sounds like more propaganda from Malkin's agent, just like when LeBrun said "Malkin is totally willing to go to free agency if he doesn't get what he wants, guys!".
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Rossi is a melodramatic boob. But I would say there is some truth to the idea that Malkin is extremely proud and is disappointed that the Pens aren't making more of an effort to sign him, while taking care of everyone else's deal. I don't think it goes beyond that.
 
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ronduguayshair said:
Stop making excuses for #71. Its pathetic. If he's really at 7+ million player he'd be better 5 on 5 and make players around him better.

Does this fanbase actually watch the games? I mean you don't need season tickets to do so. Although in person you can see the whole ice. Especially from row a.
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Can I ask you a serious question? Why do you think you are special? Like what makes you think talking about having season tickets make you think you or your opinion actually matter? What makes you believe that you are special in any way? Because newsflash…you aren’t
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Money matters a lot more than playing for a contender for 99% of NHL players.

Forsberg is getting $70 million that is state tax free. To match that from somewhere like Pittsburgh, you're going to have to be at over $11 million a year.
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I don't think that's true, particularly for star vets who have already made a lot of money.
 
TimmyD said:
Can I ask you a serious question? Why do you think you are special? Like what makes you think talking about having season tickets make you think you or your opinion actually matter? What makes you believe that you are special in any way? Because newsflash…you aren’t
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Maybe he is special. Like short-bus special.
 
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Pittsburgh1776 said:
Rossi is a melodramatic boob. But I would say there is some truth to the idea that Malkin is extremely proud and is disappointed that the Pens aren't making more of an effort to sign him, while taking care of everyone else's deal. I don't think it goes beyond that.
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I just don't see how offering him $6 million a year for 3 years isn't making an effort to sign him. It's just really odd to simultaneously read that Malkin wants $6 million for 4 years while the Penguins are offering $6 million for 3 years while also reading how distraught Malkin is for not signing yet.

Like I said, it reads like a propaganda piece from his agent more than anything. It doesn't make sense that he wants to play for the Penguins so bad and is so sad to not have re-signed yet, but isn't willing to sign a 3 year deal instead of a 4 year deal.

TimmyD said:
Can I ask you a serious question? Why do you think you are special? Like what makes you think talking about having season tickets make you think you or your opinion actually matter? What makes you believe that you are special in any way? Because newsflash…you aren’t
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My mommy said I'm special.
 
dogthateats said:
Why do most of the “veteran” posters do the whole “ I told you…” schtick?
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Well let’s see…

Because Chi and I had this convo many months back and what I told him then hasn’t changed since, but I could pretend Hextall wants to sign Malkin to whatever he asks for.

Lies to make people happy aren’t bad lies right?
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Money matters a lot more than playing for a contender for 99% of NHL players.

Forsberg is getting $70 million that is state tax free. To match that from somewhere like Pittsburgh, you're going to have to be at over $11 million a year.
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Careers are short, make your bread while you can. If you win a cup or 2? awesome.
 
td_ice said:
It's crazy how his, and Murray's career nose dived after winning cups.
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Again, I sound like a broken record here, but I think goaltending is the position that is the most team-dependent in the entire game. Most goalies, even Cup winners, aren't really going to be that much better than their peers. And the generational ones are great to have, but without a team locking in and playing well, they're going nowhere.
 
Pittsburgh1776 said:
Brought up Carter in response to the analysis that Hextall is some kind of Godfather at the negotiating table. It doesn't pass the smell test and that deal wasn't a mistake.

Nobody wants the Pens to give Malkin's camp whatever they want. 2x6 is hardly that. But I for one don't want to see us try to wring every last cent out of a franchise legend just because we have leverage--his desire to retire with Crosby and stay with one team. If a deal gets done, it will be around 3x7, but I could have done without the drama in the media.
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I get that. His deal is reasonable.

Fact is, had we not signed him or waited - he'd get offers from at least a dozen teams in that range or more. No reason to get worked up over it....ESPECIALLY based on production. As others are saying, take frustrations out on the likes of Zucker, Pettersson, Blueger, etc. The real players who aren't living up to their deals.

Us having a 3C locked in for the next 2 years at 3M is something we once begged for...now it's a theme of argument. Just don't get it. I always try and admit my bias to Carter - as I was the one calling for him for several years...but still. All signs/stats point to it being a solid deal. Our issues are outside of our 3C.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I just don't see how offering him $6 million a year for 3 years isn't making an effort to sign him. It's just really odd to simultaneously read that Malkin wants $6 million for 4 years while the Penguins are offering $6 million for 3 years while also reading how distraught Malkin is for not signing yet.

Like I said, it reads like a propaganda piece from his agent more than anything. It doesn't make sense that he wants to play for the Penguins so bad and is so sad to not have re-signed yet, but isn't willing to sign a 3 year deal instead of a 4 year deal.



My mommy said I'm special.
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I mean, the offer has been 2x6 for months. Weeks went by after a counteroffer before they finally offered another year. I would say that is dragging your feet and putting a franchise legend on ice while you sign guys like DeSmith and Ruhwedel. Ok fine, call it negotiating tactics. It's not very classy from where I'm sitting, and it sounds like Malkin feels the same way. Is he crying himself to sleep at night? No, like I said Rossi is a melodramatic boob. But none of this is necessary, just sign him for 3x7 or 4x6 and get it over with. It should have happened months ago.
 
molon labe said:
Based on everything? What do you want? Game tape of him skating in sand? Examples of him relying on the power play (Kessel esque). Examples of him failing with good linemates after everyone clammored about how he never gets any? Examples of how we've been a 1 line team for 2 years - whether he's healthy or not?

Geno of yesteryear would dominate regardless of game type or situation. Geno of today is slower, less lethal, can't make it work against stingier defensive teams, almost never drives a play resulting in a scoring opportunity - typically relies on a play to unfold while he's on the ice. He's just not the playmaker he once was. I don't see how anyone can refute this whatsoever.

I mean - if all someone did was look at stats - they'd think all PPG players are made equal. That's just a fallacy. At this point Geno plays like an elite winger....nothing wrong with that and nothing to scoff at... but if you're putting him in your lineup to be driving offense and you're relying heavily on that (sort of how the Pens have been constructed for years) - you're going to be left with a lot to be desired.

This is coming from a big Malkin fan. Sorry. I just don't find it diffficult at all to see it. Hell - I've had family text me in the last several playoffs saying things like "is that Malkin injured or something." "jesus dude Geno looks like he's skating in sand.".... casual fans can see it. Unless you've got blinders on - I don't know how others don't as well. He's taken the biggest steps back of any player outside of maybe Dumo.
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Except none of that is true. His linemates were garbage and when he actually got good ones, his production took a quantum leap:



Perhaps he looks like he's skating in quicksand because he has to do all the work on his line when he's skating with goobers like Kapanen and Zucker, who Crosby wouldn't tolerate for a nanosecond?

What are these "examples" of him failing with good linemates? When did that happen?
 
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HandshakeLine said:
Again, I sound like a broken record here, but I think goaltending is the position that is the most team-dependent in the entire game. Most goalies, even Cup winners, aren't really going to be that much better than their peers. And the generational ones are great to have, but without a team locking in and playing well, they're going nowhere.
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And you should definitely keep back up goalies that are never healthy to play in the playoffs.
 
HandshakeLine said:
Again, I sound like a broken record here, but I think goaltending is the position that is the most team-dependent in the entire game. Most goalies, even Cup winners, aren't really going to be that much better than their peers. And the generational ones are great to have, but without a team locking in and playing well, they're going nowhere.
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Yeah, that could very well be the case. That and/or a case of a goalie getting hot for period and then never being able to reach that level again. Probably a confidence thing. And once you've lost it, might never reach that level again.
 
I don't really see the need to question why a star player might feel pretty displeased with the way Hextall has slow played and squeezed his elite producers this season. He's gone pretty hard by NHL standards. We know it wouldn't have happened under the previous regime.


Which, tbf, is his job. I don't see why the fan base should be angry about that as a process. Even if you think the org owes the guys and should take care of them, that's a valid opinion but not his job.


Also Rossi is pretty clearly Geno's guy in the press. Hate him as you will, but when it comes to a story like this, he's legit.
 
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