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Zirakzigil

Zirakzigil

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Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.
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Thats What She Said said:
We've done Carter or Erod

Now let's discuss Erod or Kap

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Streaky 3rd liner that looks really good when he's on, and absolutely horrible when he's off. Fits both players, imo, and I'd take E-Rod over Kap if for no other reason than roster flexibility with E-Rod being able to play bottom-6 center or either wing.
 
Flying Dego said:
My hopes:

R/FA Signings:
ZAR
Simon
Boyle
ERod
Heinen
Kap

Don't Sign:
Geno
Rakell

Play big JC and ERod as 2C and run that s*** back!
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This list is almost perfect, but I'd add Conor Sheary as a trade target. In the event that E-Rod ditches Pittsburgh and signs for 6x6million to a contender, we should also consider Alex Galchenyuk or Derick Brassard, 2 other excellent UFA options.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I really don't see the upside you provided as a realistic one. I haven't seen anything from Zucker in the last 2 years that makes me think he'd rebound into the kind of player the Penguins hoped he could be. I don't think we truly know how well Malkin and Zucker mesh together, because they've just been so injured that they haven't played much together, but I haven't seen anything from Zucker's body of work to make me think he's a top-6 solution going forward. I'd be happy with him as a 3rd liner with Carter that can sub into the top-6 in case of injury, but I'm pretty sure they don't have the money to do that.

I'm also not sure I'd put Trocheck and Rakell on the same level, I personally have Trocheck as a bit better. Both are 50ish point guys in normal years, but Trocheck had a near PPG season in 2020-2021 and he's a bit better analytically as well.

If they go into next year with keeping Zucker and just having Zucker-Malkin-Rakell as the 2nd line, I'm going to be pretty disappointed.
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Well I don't think the upside is super likely either, but then I don't really think the upside of Trocheck making them a next level team is super likely either, so I don't see the point. At least if praying on Zucker and kids works, you then have the extra asset to push a bit more at the deadline.

Empoleon8771 said:
Yeah and I kinda made that post a few posts up about Rakell too, I think Penguins fans overrate him a bit because of how starved this team was for wingers for Malkin. I definitely do that, I really like Rakell and want him back desperately.

He's like a 40-50 point utility middle-6 guy, that's not really that much different than the other guys they've had with Malkin over the past few years. The thing that makes Rakell unique is that he appears to mesh really well with the team and Malkin and Crosby, while the other guys didn't do that.
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I think you're looking far too much at points and far too little at Rakell does on the ice. We'll see if he can sustain what he did for us but he showed genuine top six skill with actual wheels and some size and willingness to use it and go to dirty areas. That's a skillset that's ahead of most guys other than Rust/Guentzel we've had in the top 6 since Kessel, and over most guys I've seen in most top 6s. If his points totals haven't reflected that, that's possibly because Anaheim have been very bad for a goodly time. .59 ppg isn't that impressive, but that's pretty much the best anyone's done there bar Zegras over the past 4/5 seasons or so.



edit: p.s. I am surprised by how many people regard ERod as anything other than 4th line level winger. He might be more as a C but alas, veteran privileges means we never got to find out.
 
It sounds like NY is the frontrunner to trade for JT Miller, according to the main boards. I think that would end up clearly taking them out of the Malkin sweepstakes. If Washington was being truthful about expecting Backstrom to come back in the future, they can't really sign Malkin either.

I think this bodes well for the Penguins to be able to retain him.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
It sounds like NY is the frontrunner to trade for JT Miller, according to the main boards. I think that would end up clearly taking them out of the Malkin sweepstakes. If Washington was being truthful about expecting Backstrom to come back in the future, they can't really sign Malkin either.

I think this bodes well for the Penguins to be able to retain him.
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...so long as it's for between 4-5M

-Ron Hextall probably
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
It sounds like NY is the frontrunner to trade for JT Miller, according to the main boards. I think that would end up clearly taking them out of the Malkin sweepstakes. If Washington was being truthful about expecting Backstrom to come back in the future, they can't really sign Malkin either.

I think this bodes well for the Penguins to be able to retain him.
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“According to the mainboards”

Lol.
 
Peat said:
I think you're looking far too much at points and far too little at Rakell does on the ice. We'll see if he can sustain what he did for us but he showed genuine top six skill with actual wheels and some size and willingness to use it and go to dirty areas. That's a skillset that's ahead of most guys other than Rust/Guentzel we've had in the top 6 since Kessel, and over most guys I've seen in most top 6s. If his points totals haven't reflected that, that's possibly because Anaheim have been very bad for a goodly time. .59 ppg isn't that impressive, but that's pretty much the best anyone's done there bar Zegras over the past 4/5 seasons or so.
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Yeah, that's just the thing thought, it was a 20 game sample size. Ducks fans did comment that Rakell sometimes goes on stretches where he's not super engaged like he was playing for the Penguins last year.

I really want Rakell back, but I think the expectations with him should be tempered a bit. I don't think he'll likely be as impactful going forward as he was for the Penguins last year. The point totals will probably stay about the same, but the all-around game isn't something I expect to sustain itself over a larger sample.

K Fleur said:
“According to the mainboards”

Lol.
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According to the mainboards, as in the main boards are citing LeBrun's most recent article.
 
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Big Friggin Dummy said:
Please welcome, to YOUR Pettsbaaaaaaaarck Paaaaaaaaaaaanguins, at center, RYAAAAAAAAN STROOOOOOOME.
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You somehow came up with a worse option than Trocheck, bravo :laugh:

Do you want an offense only center that can't play defense and can't win faceoffs like Malkin, but with the added benefit of him not being able to carry a line offensively? Then Strome is your guy!
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
Yeah, that's just the thing thought, it was a 20 game sample size. Ducks fans did comment that Rakell sometimes goes on stretches where he's not super engaged like he was playing for the Penguins last year.

I really want Rakell back, but I think the expectations with him should be tempered a bit. I don't think he'll likely be as impactful going forward as he was for the Penguins last year. The point totals will probably stay about the same, but the all-around game isn't something I expect to sustain itself over a larger sample.
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I mean if he stays at a 56 point pace with SFA PP time for us, he can spent his shifts playing air guitar while skating laps for all I care. edit: i.e. his results were too damn good for us not to temper expectations.

In any case, we will hopefully see. It's very easy to see why someone might be less than engaged in Anaheim and hopefully he'd engage more here. That said, this team's record for getting fantastic early returns out of forwards only for it to go disastrously wrong is really strong now.
 
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Pens x said:
It’s almost like Hextall was known for doing the bare minimum before we foolishly hired him.

I highly doubt FSG told tweedle dee and tweedle dum they had to re-sign DeSmith, or that they need to continue to tread water. Let’s be serious, they wouldn’t have acquired anyone in 2021 had the Pens not greatly overachieved. Sleepy admitted they forced his hand to acquire his honey boy Carter.

How do you buy this team and leave these two fools in charge? Why were they given that courtesy? These guys likely won’t get another management job once FSG wakes up.
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I don't know what is going to happen... guess not hearing anything else on the rumor mill or another update from a good source is getting me doubting they know really what Letang and Malkin are even really going to do or the Pens on July 13th..
 
They’ve had a f**king year to re-sign Letang and Malkin and not hearing anything up to the draft is pissing me off…
 
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ERod over Carter for the same money. Easy choice there. Whether this board wants to admit it or not, we need more of ERod, not less meaning - we need cheap, versatile forwards who can score and who are actually willing to shoot the puck. ERod was one of the best value players in the entire league last year.

JT Miller to NYR would stink as it means we need to keep pace with the "arms race" in which I have little overall faith in Hextall to do. As Emp said, those things help us on the Malkin front though.

Blues shopping Krug and Tarasanko. Wonder if we could make a player for either or both if Malkin and Letang balk. Blues seem to want a Top 4 LHD which we have. They are also looking for space.
 
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Andy99 said:
They’ve had a f**king year to re-sign Letang and Malkin and not hearing anything up to the draft is passing me off…
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Sleepy just needs more time! He’s evaluating the team, a true patient builder and stuff.
 
Peat said:
I mean if he stays at a 56 point pace with SFA PP time for us, he can spent his shifts playing air guitar while skating laps for all I care. edit: i.e. his results were too damn good for us not to temper expectations.

In any case, we will hopefully see. It's very easy to see why someone might be less than engaged in Anaheim and hopefully he'd engage more here. That said, this team's record for getting fantastic early returns out of forwards only for it to go disastrously wrong is really strong now.
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Yeah I think you're right, I just think the Zucker situation backfired so badly that I want to be more cautious going forward with players like him.

We got the best Rakell we'd reasonably get for 20 games last year. I don't want to set myself up for disappointment to assume that will be the normal going forward.
 
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