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Zirakzigil

Zirakzigil

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Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.
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MayorofWBS said:
I am in the process of updating the Rumor Chart, but start here today..

Per an outstanding source, the Pittsburgh Penguins are aggressively trying to trade with the Seattle Kraken to get th 4th pick overall and draft Logan Cooley. Cooley is a center, and a local kid who already has a great relationship with Crosby.

The Penguins have a history of superstar centers stretching from Mario through Sid, and as Crosby ages there is a belief the team needs to fine their “next one.” That may or may not be Cooley, but in the past the Penguins have had to bottom out to get a top pick. Hextall has been tasked with finding that player without bottoming out.

I will be adding more to this blog today, and soon we will be launching the world famous rumor tracker that will run through the first night of the draft.
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except what will they do when Cooley is not there at #4? Lol…
 
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Wow the top free agents are all going to all get over paid badly if those numbers hold true it is becoming crazy and laughable ..
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I genuinely do not know what team some of you guys are watching :laugh:

The vitriol towards DeSmith makes no sense to me. Dude is a spazz when he plays in net, but he's been incredibly consistent in his results in his NHL career.

If DeSmith and his career .915 save% sucks, what exactly are you expecting out of a backup goalie? Even from a W/L perspective, he's 43-28-11 over his career, which is 97 points over an 82 game season.
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Small backup goalie who is unreliable when you really need him. Plays small (and like a total spaz) and hurt when needed. Don't trust at all....
 
HandshakeLine said:
I'm the opposite. I can't for the life of me see anything worth getting excited about with DeSmith. Positionally, he's a mess. He's not particularly athletic nor is he great with a stick. He's competant, sometimes?

Again, he reminds me very much of Hedberg, whose popularity continues to be a gigantic mystery with me.

I suppose I just kind of don't get the fanfare like this is some sort of masterstroke. It's... fine? I guess? :dunno:
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He had a cool mask, a cool nickname, a cool story and he went on a streak at the same time people were especially engaged with the team because of Mario's come back.

Now that I have solved the mystery for you, I will expect a check.
 
Scandale du Jour said:
My problem is not with CDS himself (well, he is not great, but what back up is...). My main problem is that the main reason for our last two playoff losses is goaltending - either availability (CDS, both times; Jarry against the Rangers) or performance (Jarry against the Islanders, Domingue against the Rangers). Yet, we are going with the exact same two guys.
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Yeah, this is a better phrased look at it.

If you're gonna have the argument that better goaltending is really what's been keeping us back (and there's pros and cons to that), don't cheap out on the position! :laugh:
 
HandshakeLine said:
I'm the opposite. I can't for the life of me see anything worth getting excited about with DeSmith. Positionally, he's a mess. He's not particularly athletic nor is he great with a stick. He's competant, sometimes?

Again, he reminds me very much of Hedberg, whose popularity continues to be a gigantic mystery with me.

I suppose I just kind of don't get the fanfare like this is some sort of masterstroke. It's... fine? I guess? :dunno:
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I'm just going to point out that his actual results he gives disagrees with this entirely.
 
Jarry and CDS were pretty much identical goalies in their final like 15 games played or so. /shrug I don't think CDS is as bad as he seemed early in the season, but that's not the point.

It's just... How do you have optimism that this team's going to genuinely make the moves it needs to make when they won't even try to swap out a backup whose injury woes have cost the team two playoffs in a row?
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I genuinely do not know what team some of you guys are watching :laugh:

The vitriol towards DeSmith makes no sense to me. Dude is a spazz when he plays in net, but he's been incredibly consistent in his results in his NHL career.

If DeSmith and his career .915 save% sucks, what exactly are you expecting out of a backup goalie? Even from a W/L perspective, he's 43-28-11 over his career, which is 97 points over an 82 game season.
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97 points, that would have been good enough to miss the playoffs this year. I'm sure his record against the easier of back to backs would hold up against top teams too.
 
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Scandale du Jour said:
He had a cool mask, a cool nickname, a cool story and he went on a streak at the same time people were especially engaged with the team because of Mario's come back.

Now that I have solved the mystery for you, I will expect a check.
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I mean, I got that first part, but man he was soooooo bad the first full season he played here. It's like the concept of a streak just doesn't exist for a certain subset of Pens fans. :laugh:
 
StaalForOne said:
97 points, that would have been good enough to miss the playoffs this year. I'm sure his record against the easier of back to backs would hold up against top teams too.
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Okay? He's a backup goalie, no one is calling him a starter.

He gives above average results and wins the Penguins a good amount of games for a backup. What the f*** are you expecting out of a backup goalie?
 
Make zero improvements. Expect a different result. Rejoice shit birds, the bloke that beats women is back because these f***ing idiots couldn't figure out they need a veteran back up.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I'm just going to point out that his actual results he gives disagrees with this entirely.
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You mean, getting injured before actually being useful as a backup in the post season multiple times in a row?

Look, Emp, I know stats are your life and love as they are the bane of my existance, but would't you also agree that if this team believes that it is merely a competant backstop away from competing, it would be wise to spend a little more money there and step up to someone a bit more durable and steady?

Empoleon8771 said:
Okay? He's a backup goalie, no one is calling him a starter.

He gives above average results and wins the Penguins a good amount of games for a backup. What the f*** are you expecting out of a backup goalie?
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Wait, is he a bad back backup, or is he above average? I do not get your position here. :dunno:
 
HandshakeLine said:
You mean, getting injured before actually being useful as a backup in the post season multiple times in a row?

Look, Emp, I know stats are your life and love as they are the bane of my existance, but would't you also agree that if this team believes that it is merely a competant backstop away from competing, it would be wise to spend a little more money there and step up to someone a bit more durable and steady?
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Stats are literally all that matters when it comes to goalies. All that matters is how good they are at stopping a puck, period. This isn't like it is with skaters when non-statistical subjectivity can come in. All that matters with goalies is what percentage of shots they face go in the back of the net. That's all that matters.

The only possible knock you can have against DeSmith was his injuries in the playoffs in the last 2 years, that's it. That's the only reason I'm a but uneasy with him. Purely as a goalie, he is as good as you can reasonably hope for out of a backup goalie, unless you have completely out of wack expectations for what a backup goalie is.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Okay? He's a backup goalie, no one is calling him a starter.

He gives above average results and wins the Penguins a good amount of games for a backup. What the f*** are you expecting out of a backup goalie?
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Did you not just call him a 1B? That kind of indicates "backup capable of being a starter". At least thats how I've always thought of that term.
 
Scandale du Jour said:
My problem is not with CDS himself (well, he is not great, but what back up is...). My main problem is that the main reason for our last two playoff losses is goaltending - either availability (CDS, both times; Jarry against the Rangers) or performance (Jarry against the Islanders, Domingue against the Rangers). Yet, we are going with the exact same two guys.
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I know nobody wants to hear this but the goaltending woes against the Rangers comes down to sheer, old fashioned, what-can-ya-do rotten ass luck. They lost their starter, backup and the best guy in WB/S (going into the season) wasn't available due to injury, either. So in most ways you are dealing with their like 4th stringer. What can a team do about that? You can't sign Holtby and Fleury and stash them in the AHL just in case, ya know?

As for Jarry versus the Isles... fair enough. He didn't get a shot at redemption this year either so it just kicks the can further down the road which is frustrating. But I guess I just worry less about goaltending in favor of the rest of the roster based on the vast majority of results over the last 15 years. I'd rather just spend CDS money rather than roll the dice on like Holtby or Fleury money for what could be the same results or possibly worse while leaving parts of the roster weaker as a result.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Stats are literally all that matters when it comes to goalies. All that matters is how good they are at stopping a puck, period. This isn't like it is with skaters when non-statistical subjectivity can come in. All that matters with goalies is what percentage of shots they face go in the back of the net. That's all that matters.

The only possible knock you can have against DeSmith was his injuries in the playoffs in the last 2 years, that's it. That's the only reason I'm a but uneasy with him. Purely as a goalie, he is as good as you can reasonably hope for out of a backup goalie, unless you have completely out of wack expectations for what a backup goalie is.
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Well, then Louie Domingue is set for life with his NHL season performance! :dunno:

I feel like your injury concerns vary widely depending on how much you want the player here, man.
 
I don't think the team needs a better backup, or a veteran backup, or whatever. They need a backup who isn't going to shatter into a million pieces with regularity, so if/when Jarry is exhausted or injured, they have an actual backup.
 
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StaalForOne said:
Did you not just call him a 1B? That kind of indicates "backup capable of being a starter". At least thats how I've always thought of that term.
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He's borderline between a 1B and a backup. Having your 2nd goalie be playing at a 97 point pace is good for what the role expects.

I'll ask this again. For people who have a problem with DeSmith's results as a backup goalie, what do you think are good results out of your backup? Serious question.
 
Same insider who initially reported that DeSmith was likely coming back also reported Letang and the Pens were going to settle between $7m-$8m. Hopefully he’s right two times in a row.
 
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