Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap: Free Agency, everyone panic!!! Geno talk to the Geno thread only please

[Zirakzigil]

Off season time. New thread time apparently cause @Ugene Magic doesn’t like high page counts.

So how about them Malkin and Letang UFAs? Maybe we should sign one or both.

Geno thread. Keep Geno talk here:

Rumor: - Geno where art thou?

With all the Geno rumors and news, time for its own thread. Keep the Geno talk here please.

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[Scandale du Jour]

Oh no, he was offered $5.75 million instead of $6 million! That totally makes it Hextall's fault for Malkin leaving!

I think people here need to just realize that Hextall basically caved into Malkin's demands and Malkin shut off all negotiations after he did that, instead of continuing to talk to Hextall.

5.75 for Evgeni freaking Malkin is insulting.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Where is that reported? Maybe he's upset that the team is playing f*** f*** games 48 hours from free agency.

If he's leaving because of that, he can leave.

If he says "I would take $24 million over 3 years" and Hextall comes back with "I'll give you $23 million over 4 years", then Malkin cuts off contract talks because his feelings are hurt, he can leave for all I care.

5.75 for Evgeni freaking Malkin is insulting.

But $6 million is fine?

 

[Turin]

6.5 for 4 is like the absolute max the Pens can do. I wonder what the actual numbers are.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I know but did he ever have such a big signing in philly? Just curious i dont know

He re-signed many players, sure.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

To the point of pride, I think Geno read the tea leaves that a lot of people in the org are more dour on his last couple of seasons. People whose thinking is closer to mine or @AuroraBorealis or others. Not like Rondu level deranged but pretty skeptical of a clearly diminishing star.

He thinks the offers were lip service to appease Letang/Crosby and the fan base, but doesn't actually feel wanted. I think it's a pretty obvious (and smart) subtext-reading on his part.

I still very much respect his ability. He may even be better than last year, especially if Rakell returns.
But I don't think it will change the outcome for our team in the end. The journey to that point will only change.

I think you're right though. This isn't about money. It's pride. A fatal weakness of humanity.

 

[Pittsburgh1776]

5.75 for Evgeni freaking Malkin is insulting.

Please post this again.

Hextall can f*** off if this is what he offered.

 

[K Fleur]

The guy that paid Carter and not Malkin.

What a legacy.

 

[Darren McCord]

If he's leaving because of that, he can leave.

If he says "I would take $24 million over 3 years" and Hextall comes back with "I'll give you $23 million over 4 years", then Malkin cuts off contract talks because his feelings are hurt, he can leave for all I care.



But $6 million is fine?

There is a cut off somewhere for everyone. If Malkin said hey pay me what Letang got and Im good. And they said no, then yes that could be insulting.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I mean if Hextall refused to go to 6 and Malkin would have taken that then ya its on Hextall.

It's never 100% on one side or the other.

Geno's been about the money his entire career. Dude was making like 16% of the cap by himself when he signed in 2014. Hextall played hardball and wanted to stick to the FO's idea of a cap structure and it meant not budging to give a little extra to a franchise legend.

It is what it is. Oh well.

 

[Pens x]

Oh no, he was offered $5.75 million instead of $6 million! That totally makes it Hextall's fault for Malkin leaving!

I think people here need to just realize that Hextall basically caved into Malkin's demands and Malkin shut off all negotiations after he did that, instead of continuing to talk to Hextall.

Would you want to talk to Hextall anymore than necessary? Dude is afraid of people.

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

4 years at 6 or even close to 6 is fine. There’s a 7.1 % chance Malkin plays that 4th year. Some other club can give him 4 @7 but it shouldn’t be the Pens.

 

[Pittsburgh1776]

I still very much respect his ability. He may even be better than last year, especially if Rakell returns.
But I don't think it will change the outcome for our team in the end. The journey to that point will only change.

I think you're right though. This isn't about money. It's pride. A fatal weakness of humanity.

Malkin should feel insulted and unwanted if the team offered him below 6M AAV.

 

[orby]

It sucks it had to be this way but sometimes you just have to move on. It's not like we have missed out on anything in Malkin's career. He's done it all and then some. We will always have the memories and cup wins to look back on.

71 will hang in the rafters next to 66 and 87 soon enough.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

If he's leaving because of that, he can leave.

If he says "I would take $24 million over 3 years" and Hextall comes back with "I'll give you $23 million over 4 years", then Malkin cuts off contract talks because his feelings are hurt, he can leave for all I care.



But $6 million is fine?

It is low, but less insulting.

4x7M would get it down.

 

[Pancakes]

If he's leaving because of that, he can leave.

If he says "I would take $24 million over 3 years" and Hextall comes back with "I'll give you $23 million over 4 years", then Malkin cuts off contract talks because his feelings are hurt, he can leave for all I care.



But $6 million is fine?

I don't really care whose fault it is that Malkin is leaving I'm just sad that he will be playing elsewhere. It really sucks.

Unless the Pens win a cup with his replacement everyone involved is going to regret this in a few years, Malkin included.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

“In the neighborhood” doesn’t mean $6 million

But it doesn't mean not-$6 million

It means +/-

Please post this again.

Hextall can f*** off if this is what he offered.

Offering 250K more per year would change your mind on this?

 

[xlm34]

Below 6M isn't fair.

For 4 years it absolutely is. You're too focused on the cap hit.

 

[Peat]

You can’t really blame either side when you don’t know for certain what information is real or not.

I dunno, lots of people seeming to be managing it just fine.

Perhaps you mean people shouldn't.

#PeopleLovePedants

 

[Pens x]

I just would hate to lose Malkin because of Ronald Hextall.

 

[Zbynek]

Defending Hextall at this stage is laughable. He waited until a day before UFA to secure his hall of fame franchise legend and squandered the deal. If the idea of the Letang deal was to compete now, what the f*** is Hextall's plan now?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Geno's probably not even finishing a three year contract. He likely wanted a 4 year deal with a heavy frontload on the cash.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It is low, but less insulting.

4x7M would get it down.

Malkin isn't worth a 4 year, $7 million contract.

He's worth something like 3 years at $7 million, or $21 million total. He and the Penguins wanted to offer the extra year to get the cap hit down.

 

[Darren McCord]

Hextall played hardball and wanted to stick to the FO's idea of a cap structure and it meant not budging to give a little extra to a franchise legend.

Right and to me thats trash. Everyone can have their opinion thats fine. But I think thats a load of garbage. Please tell me what an extra 500k is going to get them.

Also not trying to argue with you. Thats more or a rhetorical questions. I am just mad and sad

 

[dogthateats]

I honestly blame Rossi

 

[Zbynek]

If he's leaving because of that, he can leave.

If he says "I would take $24 million over 3 years" and Hextall comes back with "I'll give you $23 million over 4 years", then Malkin cuts off contract talks because his feelings are hurt, he can leave for all I care.



But $6 million is fine?

Honestly, it's still cheap for a player of Malkin's caliber. And you'll see that here on this board we've talked that "acceptable" number for Malkin down from 7 million just like a month ago.