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Do you want EK here?

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Andy P

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Gurglesons said:
If someone claims him off waivers he has the same cap hit and we lose it all.
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Exactly, everyone is saying how they want him bought out but if you throw him on waivers to go to the minors someone has a chance to claim him and his entire cap hit or send him down to the minors in hopes he just wants to terminate his contract then the pens are free of that as well.
 
Malkinstheman

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Andy P said:
Exactly, everyone is saying how they want him bought out but if you throw him on waivers to go to the minors someone has a chance to claim him and his entire cap hit or send him down to the minors in hopes he just wants to terminate his contract then the pens are free of that as well.
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There's absolutely no chance that Granlund terminates his contract. In this market he won't get more than 2m per year. He still has 5mx2 left
 
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OnMyOwn

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Allie Kitsune said:
For some reason I was under the impression that the waiving team still has to take on half the cap hit after he's claimed.
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There used to be an old “re-entry” waiver period in the previous CBA. A player who was on waivers then brought back up would only be half the cap hit for the claiming team.

That doesn’t exist anymore.
 
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Rave7215 said:
Rossi was just on Madden talking about this and adding more insight. Granted, it's Rossi, so grain of salt. The conversations were related to the systems in place and understanding his role on the team. Karlsson would be coming in knowing he would be on the second pairing and Letang would still be viewed as the number 1 defenseman. However, Letang would shift his spot on the Powerplay to having Karlsson run it. He also mentioned things about how Karlsson like the star culture of Pittsburgh as opposed to Carolina. And how Pittsburgh doesn't have Burns (rumored they actually can't stand each other and that's why it never worked in San Jose).

Again, It's Rossi. But there's your answer Emp.
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Not trying to give Rossi any credence here (has he figured out what an F3 is yet?) but in terms of who would be the "number 1" defenseman on the team, I'd expect that it would work out that at even strength and on the power play, Letang and Karlsson would end up with very similar ice time, but Letang would get more penalty killing time than Karlsson would, and that would result in the total ice time showing Letang as #1 with Karlsson as #2.
Somehow, I doubt it would upset Karlsson all that much to not get as much time on the PK.

It's not like there is a special letter put on a jersey for being the "number 1 defenseman" or anything. It's just a matter of how teams list the pairings on twitter, and how much ice time the players get. I'd be surprised if the players cared about any of that outside the ice time.
 
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Allie Kitsune

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Freeptop said:
Not trying to give Rossi any credence here (has he figured out what an F3 is yet?) but in terms of who would be the "number 1" defenseman on the team, I'd expect that it would work out that at even strength and on the power play, Letang and Karlsson would end up with very similar ice time, but Letang would get more penalty killing time than Karlsson would, and that would result in the total ice time showing Letang as #1 with Karlsson as #2.
Somehow, I doubt it would upset Karlsson all that much to not get as much time on the PK.

It's not like there is a special letter put on a jersey for being the "number 1 defenseman" or anything. It's just a matter of how teams list the pairings on twitter, and how much ice time the players get. I'd be surprised if the players cared about any of that outside the ice time.
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Not just F3, but F3 High.

And I hate that I don't know what it is either because it means I don't get to shit on Rossi like the rest of you do.
 
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Jag68Sid87

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I do think there are better options than simply a buyout. This team is going to be up against the cap (no matter the number), so it is always better to spend it on the active rather than the inactive players. I look at our cap right now and see Jack Johnson's dead cap money for the next three seasons, and I think to myself that I really don't want to see anymore players in this category this year.

I am not convinced that you cannot trade Granlund for "future considerations". Maybe not at the moment. But teams that do not land their primary targets (Tarasenko, Kane, etc) could circle back and take a chance on him. Ditto for Jeff Petry, who has more value but fewer team options of his own choosing.

One of the biggest things that Dubas needs to accomplish right now is to rid himself of contracts. And by rid, I mean completely. If it takes trading someone you would rather keep, so be it. If it means taking back a contract, also so be it (because maybe that other contract is a better fit for this team than Granlund is, or Petry et al).

So for me, this Karlsson trade is mostly about dumping contracts. Yeah, Karlsson is a great player and would be a nice addition to this team's core. And yes he helps the overall scoring depth, the power play and the entertainment value for us. But for me, this is an opportunity to get rid of pieces that do not fit the overall puzzle. And I would rather take on the full cap hit if it means fewer future assets would need to be included in the deal, and more contracts can be sent to San Jose.

If the Sharks' (the owner's, presumably) main motivation for trading Karlsson is to be rid of that cap hit, then we should do everything we can to take it on in full. If we moved Granlund and Pettersson to SJ, found a place Petry would like to play and would take him on, then we would NOT have to include much else. And that would be the win for Dubas in my humble opinion. Yeah, a lot of people do not want to trade Pettersson because our blueline looks scary without him. But it was not too long ago that it looked scary with him! He had a breakout season. Great! Why can't Joseph bust out this season? Why can't Ty Smith become an important player this season? Part of going younger means actually giving the guys we have more of an opportunity, instead of including them in trades. And while $11.5 million is tough to have on a cap, at least Karlsson is a superstar. I think you are always better off spending cap space on the talent you actually have, rather than breaking it down into pieces for players no longer on the roster. I also do not believe Crosby, Malkin and Letang would have any issue with him making way more than them at this point. They just want to get back into the playoffs.

So for me, $11.5 million makes sense for a team that (at least publicly) has stated that they are trying to improve for the now and for the future. I do not believe that the Penguins need to or should give up first-round picks in this deal WITHOUT retention. So, ask SJ not to retain. That probably gets their attention. AND, if Grier insists that a first must be included, then it has to come with the mother of all conditions attached to it.
 
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If they ditch Granlund, they need to replace him somehow. He's the only bottom 6 forward who wouldn't look completely out of place in the top 6. The lack of depth at forwards who have offensive ability is going to really bite them in the ass when injuries hit.

You know Sully isn't going to give a player like Puustinen a real look there even though he's about the only player that may or may not have that skill set.

The more I think about this roster, the worse I feel.
 
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This was posted by Rossi on the Athletic about 40 mins ago. As long as EK is willing to waive for Carolina his preferred destination doesnt matter at all
 
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Saw this on facebook:

To Pit: EK @50%, Granlund 25% retained
To Nashville: Casey Desmith, 4th, Petry salary retention at 35%
To SJS: Petry @65%, Granlund @75%, 2025 1st, DOC

I mean, that would be a slam dunk if that happened.

Just threw that into CF and it say we have $3mil in space is that is what transpires. The ability for us to add another bottom 6 forward or a dman on a cheap deal would be in the cards.

Dumba or Tatar, maybe they'd sign a cheap deal to be put in a good situation?

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Johnsson-Carter-Nieto

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Turin

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SEALBound said:
Saw this on facebook:

To Pit: EK @50%, Granlund 25% retained
To Nashville: Casey Desmith, 4th, Petry salary retention at 35%
To SJS: Petry @65%, Granlund @75%, 2025 1st, DOC

I mean, that would be a slam dunk if that happened.
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Who is Pittsburgh getting from Nashville?
 
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