Post-Game Talk: Pens/Panthers...Because we close GDTs before putting up post-games for some reason

[Honour Over Glory]

I seriously am almost hoping for a quick first round exit in the hopes that management will realize this team just isnt going to cut it.

You have to wonder, if Bylsma is still kept on after say...they get swept in the 1st round, how high does the level of stupidity reach?

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Losing in the 2nd and 3rd rounds = humiliating.
Losing in the 1st round = bad.

I don't subscribe to your interpretation of events.

Most don't subscribe to your definition of success.

Some people actually have higher expectations for this team that just making the POs and maybe winning a round if they feel like it.

 

[ss53mech]

Soo... instead of random excuse generator I'll just type random fan anger. Sorry folks I just don't understand. I do understand that losses are frustrating, I do understand that we as fans are going to have things that we feel should be handled differently. What I don't understand is what we feel is being excused.

I'm truly worn out on reading the term random excuse generator when I don't see one person excusing anything. Most are simply saying that the team played like ass, not that it's fine that the team played like ass. I thought this was a discussion board. Why isn't anyone discussing anything?

Feel free to not respond to this as it's actually quite the hypocritical post since it doesn't warrant discussion. It's just me venting my frustrations that I can no longer engage this forum for what I thought it's intended purpose was.

 

[KIRK]

Holy **** I just figured something out.

Every Cup winner has a head coach. The Pens have a head coach.

Every Cup winner has vets. The Pens have vets.

Every Cup winner loses regular season games. The Pens lose regular season games.

Every Cup winner has lost a PO series at some point in their recent past. The Pens have lost a PO series in their recent past.


So the Pens are basically guaranteed a Cup this year.

How very Aristotelian of you.

 

[Shockmaster]

After the Olympics the Pens play a really challenging schedule beginning in March and by the end of March, everyone should have a much better feel for the team and it's chances. Me thinks the Pens will be exposed physically by the top western teams and Shero will be stuck paying some players way to much for average production.

Unfortunately, Bylsma will think the way to combat that is to send Adams and Glass out more often.

 

[domaug*]

Soo... instead of random excuse generator I'll just type random fan anger. Sorry folks I just don't understand. I do understand that losses are frustrating, I do understand that we as fans are going to have things that we feel should be handled differently. What I don't understand is what we feel is being excused.

I'm truly worn out on reading the term random excuse generator when I don't see one person excusing anything. Most are simply saying that the team played like ass, not that it's fine that the team played like ass. I thought this was a discussion board. Why isn't anyone discussing anything?

Feel free to not respond to this as it's actually quite the hypocritical post since it doesn't warrant discussion. It's just me venting my frustrations that I can no longer engage this forum for what I thought it's intended purpose was.

there's actually plenty of discussion if you take the time to read through these forums. just because a lot of discussions are fueled by negative subject matter doesn't mean they're not actual discussions worth reading.

if you think this board has nothing to offer in the way of discussions, you're better off going to another message board. there are plenty around the internet.

 

[KIRK]

Most don't subscribe to your definition of success.

Some people actually have higher expectations for this team that just making the POs and maybe winning a round if they feel like it.

Oh no, you see, in the 4 years since they won a cup, the Pens won playoff series against the Islanders and the Senators, twice no less.

In the 2 years between their two cups, the Hawks lost in seven games to eventual cup loser Vancouver and in six to a 104 point Phoenix team with Toews not right and Hossa taken out.

That they have a pair of cups as bookends to that kind of humiliation is immaterial.

 

[vodeni]

What was the point of bringing Jacques Martin in the coaching staff. We still look like the same crappy undisciplined defensively team of years past. I mean is it the system? because every team that fore checks 3 deep consistently hems us in our zone and when their D-man take away the wall, we have no options of getting puck out. I see ton of teams do that against the Pens. Its a weakness we have to work on but its not getting fixed when it should've been fixed after the Flyers debacle.

Big Dawg, I see the same thing, any team that has strong fast forechecking lines owns Pens, they just can not figure this out.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

You have to wonder, if Bylsma is still kept on after say...they get swept in the 1st round, how high does the level of stupidity reach?

The very top. Do you think I'd like being a Blackhawks fan? Because I think I would.

 

[IcedCapp]

there's actually plenty of discussion if you take the time to read through these forums. just because a lot of discussions are fueled by negative subject matter doesn't mean they're not actual discussions worth reading.

if you think this board has nothing to offer in the way of discussions, you're better off going to another message board. there are plenty around the internet.

This is what I don't understand.

I can get hating the dislike for Shero, Bylsma, Glass, Adams, Letang, et al, but can't get not understanding it.

People have laid their feelings and opinions out countless times. You may not disagree with it, but if you don't understand it you're simply not reading what people are writing.

If that's the case, don't ***** about not getting it.

 

[The Big Dawg*]

Losing in the 2nd and 3rd rounds = humiliating.
Losing in the 1st round = bad.

I don't subscribe to your interpretation of events.

let me know when the Blackhawks give up 40 goals in a series, while you're at it. Also let me know when they get swept and scoring only 2 goals the whole series with absolutely no change in strategy.

 

[nhindian]

literally loling at the people saying "This makes me want to be Blackhawks fan!"

You know you can do that right? No one's forcing you to watch the games. It's rather cute.

 

[domaug*]

literally loling at the people saying "This makes me want to be Blackhawks fan!"

You know you can do that right? No one's forcing you to watch the games. It's rather cute.

i've seen exactly one person make that statement on this board. that was their second post since getting a new account (more than likely because they were a troll who was previously banned under another account).

 

[KIRK]

i've seen exactly one person make that statement on this board. that was their second post since getting a new account (more than likely because they were a troll who was previously banned under another account).

Shame on you for letting a fact like that get in the way of a lovely narrative.

 

[gordie]

I seriously doubt they lose in the First Round but maybe if a Detroit or New Jersey slips in there it might be possible. I say they get bounced in the Second Round with the excuse of a Hot Goaltender being the problem.

 

[drpepper]

This is true, the word stale comes to mind.

What's sad is that, at times, earlier this year things did look slightly different. Martin's system seemed to have brought positive changes to the backcheck and transition out of the d zone. Bennett got a shot at the top line and Dupuis moved down (even if it was later than fans might've wanted).

All of the injuries and the players coming back and it looks like the same old, same old.

 

[Shockmaster]

https://twitter.com/JoshYohe_Trib/status/425471268008128512

Josh Yohe ‏@JoshYohe_Trib

Hard to deny that the Penguins' goals against skyrockets when they are completely healthy. We've seen it four seasons in a row. Undeniable.

 

[ss53mech]

there's actually plenty of discussion if you take the time to read through these forums. just because a lot of discussions are fueled by negative subject matter doesn't mean they're not actual discussions worth reading.

if you think this board has nothing to offer in the way of discussions, you're better off going to another message board. there are plenty around the internet.

Not in post game threads. There used to be. The first couple of pages were comprised of +/- for standout players with supporting notes. Then the following pages were discussion of particular instance for that game or play or player.

Now it's comprised of: the coach sucks, no the players suck, no you're just making excuses.

The Despres thread gave me hope as that one actually had some back and forth in it about the player, his situation, the team's handling of him, and the team situation. I don't follow the actual game threads as normally I'm not savy enough to watch the game, read comments and make my own all at once. So I come to the post game thread to get some other perspectives. Trouble is that perspective has gotten very narrow recently in my opinion.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

I seriously doubt they lose in the First Round but maybe if a Detroit or New Jersey slips in there it might be possible. I say they get bounced in the Second Round with the excuse of a Hot Goaltender being the problem.

With how terrible the Metro is I can easily see them repeating last year where they sleep walk to the ECF. Of courst, I see them getting Fd in the A again too.

What scares me most about that is making the ECF will justify keeping the family together to grandpa Shero.

 

[ss53mech]

This is what I don't understand.

I can get hating the dislike for Shero, Bylsma, Glass, Adams, Letang, et al, but can't get not understanding it.

People have laid their feelings and opinions out countless times. You may not disagree with it, but if you don't understand it you're simply not reading what people are writing.

If that's the case, don't ***** about not getting it.

Some combination of me not being clear and you not understanding what I meant to project has occurred. I'm fine with and understand the Bylsma/Shero hatred. I don't support it to the extent that some do, but whatever. What I don't understand is why I keep reading the term excuse. Who is excusing the teams poor play? Who is excusing the bad coaching/gm decisions?

 

[domaug*]

Not in post game threads. There used to be. The first couple of pages were comprised of +/- for standout players with supporting notes. Then the following pages were discussion of particular instance for that game or play or player.

Now it's comprised of: the coach sucks, no the players suck, no you're just making excuses.

The Despres thread gave me hope as that one actually had some back and forth in it about the player, his situation, the team's handling of him, and the team situation. I don't follow the actual game threads as normally I'm not savy enough to watch the game, read comments and make my own all at once. So I come to the post game thread to get some other perspectives. Trouble is that perspective has gotten very narrow recently in my opinion.

i guess we should just discuss how the Pens are still winning their division in spite of all their issues, essentially rendering their issues to the status of "not important" (or not significant enough to discuss in any capacity) because the regular season is clearly the most important part of the hockey season.

then again, maybe there's a reason you're seeing people discuss the same negative facets of the Pens' game night in and night out. could it be because MAYBE the Pens have had the same issues since Bylsma started coaching the team full-time and that juuuuuuuuuuuust maybe some of us Pens fans are getting concerned and upset about it?

 

[domaug*]

Some combination of me not being clear and you not understanding what I meant to project has occurred. I'm fine with and understand the Bylsma/Shero hatred. I don't support it to the extent that some do, but whatever. What I don't understand is why I keep reading the term excuse. Who is excusing the teams poor play? Who is excusing the bad coaching/gm decisions?

anyone who argues that the team is fine because of their spot in the standings is tacitly excusing the team's poor play.

 

[ss53mech]

Does anyone (and I ask this honestly with no agenda) think that maybe Bylsma is experimenting right now? Maybe, just maybe he is experimenting with Megna and Sutter because he wants that to be his third line in the postseason. I'm not saying he is. Maybe I'm just grasping at straws of hope in thinking that GMRS might already have a plan for Sid's RW and is just stopgapping that spot and letting the lower lines attempt to build some chemistry to see if those could effectively be filled by moving players down once someone is brought in? I mean that could kind of sort of justify not playing Kobasew where he belongs (bringing the guys in the pressbox fresh drinks) right?

That's one of a select few scenarios in my mind where some of these coaching decisions make a tiny bit of sense. (with the disclaimer of the use of Gladams, there is no sense to be made there)

 

[ss53mech]

i guess we should just discuss how the Pens are still winning their division in spite of all their issues, essentially rendering their issues to the status of "not important" (or not significant enough to discuss in any capacity) because the regular season is clearly the most important part of the hockey season.

then again, maybe there's a reason you're seeing people discuss the same negative facets of the Pens' game night in and night out. could it be because MAYBE the Pens have had the same issues since Bylsma started coaching the team full-time and that juuuuuuuuuuuust maybe some of us Pens fans are getting concerned and upset about it?

I'm as concerned and upset about it as you are. Thus rendering it unworthy of discussion between us as we agree on the subject. I don't have a solution that hasn't already been beaten to death and effectively agreed on by the HF masses so I don't bring that up.

Also, you have never once and never will you see me justify any action taken by the team or management due their position in the standings.

 

[domaug*]

Does anyone (and I ask this honestly with no agenda) think that maybe Bylsma is experimenting right now? Maybe, just maybe he is experimenting with Megna and Sutter because he wants that to be his third line in the postseason. I'm not saying he is. Maybe I'm just grasping at straws of hope in thinking that GMRS might already have a plan for Sid's RW and is just stopgapping that spot and letting the lower lines attempt to build some chemistry to see if those could effectively be filled by moving players down once someone is brought in? I mean that could kind of sort of justify not playing Kobasew where he belongs (bringing the guys in the pressbox fresh drinks) right?

That's one of a select few scenarios in my mind where some of these coaching decisions make a tiny bit of sense. (with the disclaimer of the use of Gladams, there is no sense to be made there)

i don't think Bylsma is experimenting. they've had plenty of time to "experiment".

in any case, i think you're desperately trying to defend Bylsma and Shero for their screw-ups (not that that's inherently wrong, i just disagree with it). despite all of the good things they both did, you can't deny that they and the rest of the team are struggling because of their mistakes (either entirely or in part).