Salary Cap: Pens Off Season Thread: Pre Free Agency Shenanigans!

[Gurglesons]

In which season did Buffalo try this? Because it looks to me they were spending big to try and be successful the moment they got realised they'd trade high in 2015. 1st for Bogosian and Kane the deadline before they drafted Eichel, traded for O'Reilly and Lehner that summer, signing Okposo for a big contract the next summer, and so on.

Which is kind of the opposite as far as I can see. Lots of spending and ambition rather than continuing to build the prospect base.


edit: And maybe there are better ways to go about Chicago's dual mission of continuing to be bad enough the prospect base still develops but good enough that Bedard becomes all he should be... but the point is, they're not committed. They've still got the 4th most cap room in the league.

And it's not like teams are sending out cap dumps at great prices left right and centre right now for them to exploit. It's not like they're sat there watching Anaheim grow fat off of absorbing these instead.

I would also argue why not just give some premium UFAs the one year Hall or Klingberg deals.

 

[Malkinstheman]

With Hill and Varlamov off the board, FA is basically just Jarry and Korpi... Feels pretty likely that Jarry will be back if the trade market doesnt soften.

 

[pistolpete11]

Again I think contracts are going to come in a lot lower than expected for depth. I bet Sheary doesnt make more than 1-1.5

Then f*** it, let's get both Engvall and Sheary. Couple of 15G scores would go a long way to rebuilding L3.

 

[Zbynek]

With Hill and Varlamov off the board, FA is basically just Jarry and Korpi... Feels pretty likely that Jarry will be back if the trade market doesnt soften.

 

[pistolpete11]

All of the goalies' names who've been thrown around as potential trade targets are still there though, and the team seems to very much prefer a trade. So unless all of Anaheim/Boston/Winnipeg/Calgary/San Jose sort out their problems and sell their guy or take him off the market in the next 48 hours, the trade market looks like it's going to be just the same.

Boston's probably the only one of those that has to make a move, though, no?

 

[Gurglesons]

Anyone mentions signing Wheeler, I am come to your house and pee on your door.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Wheeler bought out, Pens should sign him

 

[Andy99]

Wheeler bought out, Pens should sign him

Yes, we have to ice the oldest team in NHL history…if we can’t win the Cup, at least we’ll be “celebrated” for something….

 

[Gurglesons]

Wheeler bought out, Pens should sign him

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Ahh, I love deadlines. They put so many nonsense takes to bed.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Think we're at the point where people would take DOC at 1M over Wheeler at the same cap hit.

 

[Peat]

Boston's probably the only one of those that has to make a move, though, no?

I don't think any of them have to, but it makes more sense for them to move than not

Boston obviously has a major cap crunch than they can solve other ways but getting out on the goalies makes a bunch of sense

Calgary have a cap crunch where moving Vladar would help, and also has a hotshot young goalie to replace him with. They can keep Vladar and send the kid down, but that's not ideal

Anaheim, who knows what's in their head, but I can't see getting Gibson getting more valuable or happier behind their wall of suck

Winnipeg have to trade Hellebuyck between now and the deadline, so if you get a good offer why wait now

San Jose are the only one who seem to be take it or leave it, although even there Kahkonen is a pending UFA who's probably not back, so why not? Maybe you sell him for more at the deadline, maybe not

I don't know any of them become more desperate to sell after the first couple days of UFA, but I don't think they become less motivated. I'm just not sure UFA really affects the goaltending market at all.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

From another poster as I don’t have access lol…

“From Josh Yohe this morning, regarding UFA and such:

--Says keep an eye on Petry. Dubas is trying to unload him, but there hasn't been much interest to date. Dubas may have to retain salary to entice someone to take him, maybe up to 2M. Dubas wants a more mobile defense and Petry clearly lost a step. Penguins aren't opposed to him returning, but they'd rather get some cap space to help rework things on the backend, if they can.

This is where I diverge with Dubas. I'm not super horny for Petry like some on here, but he's paid adequately for what he brings. Maybe next offseason or the TDL is a better time to address the defense, but I don't see Petry or the defense as currently constructed as a detriment to this team.

Fix the goalie issue and bottom 6 before anything else. Those should be priorities. If there's enough margin/assets to deal with Petry, then fine.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Chicago still has a lot of cap room and needs to fill out their roster. Same with the Ducks, Yotes, and Wings.

I imagine Arizona may be the most likely of those teams to take Granlund as I can't see that being a nice destination for UFAs to sign in.

 

[Ogelthorpe]

But they will. That is the point. If you don't have your problem solved by Monday that price just skyrocket and you are screwed.

You think Helly is going to be cheaper if the pens have DeSmith as their starter come Monday?



Again I think contracts are going to come in a lot lower than expected for depth. I bet Sheary doesnt make more than 1-1.5

There is also a flip side to this…there are only so many teams that may even look at acquiring Helle…. For everyone one of those teams that go elsewhere to fill the position, it’s one step closer to Winnipeg being stuck with a disgruntled goalie that they will surely lose for nothing the following year.

 

[Andy99]

Chicago still has a lot of cap room and needs to fill out their roster. Same with the Ducks, Yotes, and Wings.

I imagine Arizona may be the most likely of those teams to take Granlund as I can't see that being a nice destination for UFAs to sign in.

At this point, I honestly don’t think either Sullivan or Dubas wants to get rid of Granlund lol…only the fans

 

[Darren McCord]

There is also a flip side to this…there are only so many teams that may even look at acquiring Helle…. For everyone one of those teams that go elsewhere to fill the position, it’s one step closer to Winnipeg being stuck with a disgruntled goalie that they will surely lose for nothing the following year.

They will gladly keep him until the deadline and get a ransom then

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yohe is an absolute idiot if he thinks the Penguins would need to retain Petry down to $4.25 million to trade him.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I don't think any of them have to, but it makes more sense for them to move than not

Boston obviously has a major cap crunch than they can solve other ways but getting out on the goalies makes a bunch of sense

Calgary have a cap crunch where moving Vladar would help, and also has a hotshot young goalie to replace him with. They can keep Vladar and send the kid down, but that's not ideal

Anaheim, who knows what's in their head, but I can't see getting Gibson getting more valuable or happier behind their wall of suck

Winnipeg have to trade Hellebuyck between now and the deadline, so if you get a good offer why wait now

San Jose are the only one who seem to be take it or leave it, although even there Kahkonen is a pending UFA who's probably not back, so why not? Maybe you sell him for more at the deadline, maybe not

I don't know any of them become more desperate to sell after the first couple days of UFA, but I don't think they become less motivated. I'm just not sure UFA really affects the goaltending market at all.

To me it makes a ton of sense for Boston to use Swayman + Grz + Lysell to get Schieffle from Winnipeg. WPG wants to compete and Boston has no other assets to fill the holes left by Bergeron/Krejci

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Anyone mentions signing Wheeler, I am come to your house and pee on your door.

If JC wasn't on this team, I'd be ok with Wheeler on the cheap.
Hell if JC wasn't on this team, I would have welcomed Boyle back for another go around

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Chicago still has a lot of cap room and needs to fill out their roster. Same with the Ducks, Yotes, and Wings.

I imagine Arizona may be the most likely of those teams to take Granlund as I can't see that being a nice destination for UFAs to sign in.

They should take Dumoulin at 8M per, using his invaluable leadership to guide Bedard's development.

 

[Darren McCord]

Yohe is an absolute idiot if he thinks the Penguins would need to retain Petry down to $4.25 million to trade him.

You could have stop there and no one would have argued

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

At this point, I honestly don’t think either Sullivan or Dubas wants to get rid of Granlund lol…only the fans

Yea I unfortunately believe this is true.
It's too bad you couldn't flip Granlund and Zucker's terms/contracts. I'd keep Zucker at that price tag for another couple seasons.

 

[SEALBound]

I like Domi very much, depending on price would be a good get.

I think he would be too, especially if we can get good 3rd line wings. Say we can resign Zucker or Bunting for reasonable. Zucker-Domi-Nylander could be a good 3rd line for us. I don't buy the "dey can only be da defense!" Best defense is a good offensive line that can pin the other team in their own zone.

Dubas has said he's talking to all of them.

It would be pretty silly not to talk to your own free agents just in case. Well, except Dumo. Really done there.

I'm thinking Dumo might "ERod" himself. "Hey, I can play at a high level! I was a top pairing dman! I want a 4-5yr deal for $4-5mil!" Then he'll wait for the perfect deal that won't come and quickly discover no one is going to pay that nor is there money available to do it so he'll take a 1-2yr deal for $1-2mil and sulk. In any event, it just can not be here. The roster opening for a younger guy is too valuable.

 

[Peat]

I would also argue why not just give some premium UFAs the one year Hall or Klingberg deals.

They still can if someone wants to do that with them and it makes sense for them and their plan of aggressive suckitude. They've still got 20m in cap. Vastly overpaying Foligno and Perry doesn't take that off the table at all.

Yohe is an absolute idiot if he thinks the Penguins would need to retain Petry down to $4.25 million to trade him.

After Hayes had to be retained down to 3.5m and Johansen to 4m just so they could be traded for free?

Seems pretty plausible to me.