Salary Cap: Pens Off Season Thread: Pre Free Agency Shenanigans!

[JakeNBake59]

Hey JR is that you secretly working for the leafs

 

[Bishop7979]

I am not touching Campbell with a ten foot barge pole. All the physical talent, none of the mental resiliency needed to shrug off mistakes which is the biggest talent needed.

i am not advocating for Campbell at all, but given that dubas took a swing on both samsonov and Murray Campbell seems like a guy he would look at And I’ve been preparing myself for the possibility.

Campbell spent two years under Toronto’s media pressure and played well

kings years combined 57 gms, 20-24 .918 2.51
toronto year combined 77 gms 51-14 .916 2.5
1 year in ed 36 gms 21-9 .888 3.41

i mean it is possible that the dumpster file that is Edmonton was the problem. Both his la numbers and Toronto numbers were good.

 

[66-30-33]

Hey JR is that you secretly working for the leafs

Leafs are getting everyone according to every tweet in the history of the universe. Must be nice to never have a cap.

 

[IcedCapp]

Hey JR is that you secretly working for the leafs

I’d take Reaves over Granlund.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I’d take Reaves over Granlund.

What's behind door #3?

 

[Josey Wales]

Leafs are getting everyone according to every tweet in the history of the universe. Must be nice to never have a cap.

Leafs Entering the Karlsson Sweeps “BIG Time.” (E4)
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[Turin]

Zuckers coming back on the cheap, calling it and will be happy with it.

Obviously wouldn't have a problem with that, but I'll believe it when I see it. This is his last significant pro deal.

 

[66-30-33]

Leafs Entering the Karlsson Sweeps “BIG Time.” (E4)
Just talked to a source who informed me the Leafs may be “ hours away from their biggest and most daring trade since Wendel Clark”… Stay tuned…
Source: Eklund
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Heard from my dogs friend that was a cat that retweeted his friend the monkey Crosby is going to Toronto for future considerations.

 

[Peat]

So could literally anyone the Penguins draft at #14.

That trade would be swapping a top 18 year old prospect for a top 21 year old prospect.

Yeah, if we're talking risk factor, trading 14 for Askarov would reduce it a whole ton. Ditto the timeline to the pick being involved.

Of course there's how involved. Is he going to be more than just a cheap 1B the next couple of years?

I think usually any chance you can trade your pick for a 21 year old who was taken higher and is doing well, you do. Given our timeline, I'd want to feel very sure he was ascending and would be meaningfully involved when I could just take a high scorer and use him as trade bait.

 

[IcedCapp]

What's behind door #3?

The Coyotes

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yeah, if we're talking risk factor, trading 14 for Askarov would reduce it a whole ton. Ditto the timeline to the pick being involved.

Of course there's how involved. Is he going to be more than just a cheap 1B the next couple of years?

I think usually any chance you can trade your pick for a 21 year old who was taken higher and is doing well, you do. Given our timeline, I'd want to feel very sure he was ascending and would be meaningfully involved when I could just take a high scorer and use him as trade bait.

Yeah I totally understand wanting to trade #14 for win-now help, but using it to draft someone instead of taking Askarov is a mind boggling decision.

 

[Peat]

Yeah I totally understand wanting to trade #14 for win-now help, but using it to draft someone instead of taking Askarov is a mind boggling decision.

Eh, not to me. The player you take with 14OA should be a trade asset in a year. What Askarov is in a year seems a little unclear.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Eh, not to me. The player you take with 14OA should be a trade asset in a year. What Askarov is in a year seems a little unclear.

I think you should just trade #14 over trying to make a gamble like that on trading whoever you take at #14 a year later.

 

[Darren McCord]

So could literally anyone the Penguins draft at #14.

That trade would be swapping a top 18 year old prospect for a top 21 year old prospect.

Ok but your missing the point. Goalies are rarely taken in round one for a reason. I would rather have a winger you doesn't hit his potential but becomes a solid 3rd liner than a backup who plays 25-30 games a year.

Also if you get someone like Benson, they might make an impact sooner than Askarov,

Askarov is likely 2 years away still.

 

[Borgir]

Keep Campbell in Edmonton. Don't even joke about him.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Obviously wouldn't have a problem with that, but I'll believe it when I see it. This is his last significant pro deal.

He's made money 35+ million so I don't think it's as big as a issue as many think. Of course though people always want more.

There weren't many places he was willing to go to in the first place before coming here.

I don't see him playing that much longer.

Just spit balling but I think it's definitely possible

 

[Peat]

I think you should just trade #14 over trying to make a gamble like that on trading whoever you take at #14 a year later.

Preferably yes but you have to be rock hard sure the guy you're taking is the guy. A prospect taken at 14OA is very unlikely to lose their trade value in D+1. The guy? Who knows.

Like, honestly, I know dick about Askarov at this point. But it'd be real easy for him to be a bit of a slow developer who is never a meaningful piece through the last years. Skaters can slot in down the roster but goalies are more all or nothing.

But then I dislike paying big for goalies in general. Again, that all or nothing thing.

 

[Empoleon8771]

He's made money 35+ million so I don't think it's as big as a issue as many think. Of course though people always want more.

There weren't many places he was willing to go to in the first place before coming here.

I don't see him playing that much longer.

Just spit balling but I think it's definitely possible

It's not just about money, it's about commitment. If he signs a 2 year deal and ends up regressing, he's out of the NHL after 2 years. Getting more term locks him into being able to at least play professional hockey, unless a team wants to buy him out.

 

[chethejet]

Pens don't need a goalie for 7 years. They need one for two. Plus the Pens will be in a rebuild down the road and moving guys out for picks. Deals to be made at the draft that doesn't involve the number one pick can be done. Dubas has to unload Granlund one way or another and he is working the teams that need to create cap space for signings.

 

[Josey Wales]

& once again Reilly Smith was traded out of Conference !! Geeee Wally that seems to happens a lot huh?

 

[Peat]

i am not advocating for Campbell at all, but given that dubas took a swing on both samsonov and Murray Campbell seems like a guy he would look at And I’ve been preparing myself for the possibility.

Campbell spent two years under Toronto’s media pressure and played well

kings years combined 57 gms, 20-24 .918 2.51
toronto year combined 77 gms 51-14 .916 2.5
1 year in ed 36 gms 21-9 .888 3.41

i mean it is possible that the dumpster file that is Edmonton was the problem. Both his la numbers and Toronto numbers were good.

Remember, Dubas has taken a look at Campbell. And Campbell wound up in Edmonton not Toronto for a reason.

Campbell's numbers start to go south the moment he takes on starter pressure. He was below expected for both regular season and playoffs in 22, and then obviously bombed in Edmonton. He's always had problems with the mental side (hence how long he took to break through) and judging from analyst chat, I think the resiliency thing is something he still struggles with.

This team isn't a Canadian pressure market, but it's still going to expect its guy to be the guy and Campbell just hasn't been up to that.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

It's not just about money, it's about commitment. If he signs a 2 year deal and ends up regressing, he's out of the NHL after 2 years. Getting more term locks him into being able to at least play professional hockey, unless a team wants to buy him out.

And I could see him wanting to not play hockey for more than 2 years and give it 1 last run with this team just the same as Crosby/Malkin/Letang

 

[Empoleon8771]

And I could see him wanting to not play hockey for more than 2 years and give it 1 last run with this team just the same as Crosby/Malkin/Letang

But why though? Zucker hasn't won anything with the Penguins and has only been here for about 3.5 years. He doesn't have nearly the kind of attachment to the city or the core that Crosby, Malkin and Letang have.

It is substantially more likely that someone like Dumoulin would try that.

 

[TimmyD]

& once again Reilly Smith was traded out of Conference !! Geeee Wally that seems to happens a lot huh?

Probably because the out of conference team made Vegas the best offer

 

[Josey Wales]

Probably because the out of conference team made Vegas the best offer

Wrong ! look at all trades that have happened