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Considering he’s only been here for a year and a half, I’d argue he’s done as well as you could reasonably expect in terms of building up the prospect pool.
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Empoleon8771
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I wouldn't say this, he could have done more without trading for Karlsson and using specifically Granlund as a way to get future assets. But yeah, he has done a good job at adding prospects.
If Russia wasn't banned from the WJC, they'd have 4 Dubas drafted players at the WJC with Yager, Pieniniemi, Howe and Ilyin, and I think Brunicke would have most likely made the team as well if he hadn't gotten hurt. For only having 2 drafts, that's a pretty good amount of guys playing at the WJC or competing for WJC spots. McGroarty was also a regular on team USA for the WJCs as well, and the swap with him and Yager was just a 1 for 1 swap of similar prospects. Add on Koivunen and Ponomarev via trade and it's looking pretty solid.
That said, losing out on the 1st from the Karlsson trade really hurts what he could have done to add to the prospect pool. If they still had that pick and drafted Helenius with it (guy who went with their pick), the work Dubas would have done with the prospect pool would have been great. Adding Helenius, Yager/McGroarty, Brunicke, Howe, Pieniniemi, Ilyin, Ponomarev and Koivunen in just 2 years to the prospect pool would have been extrmemely good work by Dubas.
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Empoleon8771
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Don't know if this is sarcastic but I actually like the move. I'm a bit uncomfortable with both Pickering and POJ on LD going forward, but Pickering with Letang/Karlsson and POJ as the 3rd pair RD with a veteran LD is something I honestly like.
I'd love it if they added 2 defensemen like Hague and 2017 Cole and made the D pairs:
Hague-Karlsson
Pickering-Letang
Cole-POJ
But I'm not sure who fits that 2017 Cole idea and I'm skeptical Vegas trades Hague before the off-season.
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Wasn't sarcastic. I wanted them to play him on RD in WBS for some games here and there.
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Erik Karlsson is good
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They’re like one more draft away from being around the middle. Almost all their worthwhile prospects have been added in the last year besides like Broz and Blom
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Is Mike trying to send a message or is Geno banged up? That’s the question.
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Bunting will undoubtedly carry that line. Has done so since mid November.
Just pretty sad they have to manufacture fake goals for Geno since he's unable to score very many on his own anymore.
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Sullivan gots to go!
I think it starts with the man behind the bench whose job is teflon-safe, despite repeated failures in the playoffs and non-playoff participation.
Yes it is annoying that the team's core loves the head coach, but it starts with Mike Sullivan. If he did a better job of developing players, we would be that much further along in this "soft rebuild" or whatever the hell we want to call it.
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He needs another creator on his line. Someone who can hold onto the puck for more than a second or two. Tommy wasn’t that guy, Doc isn’t really that guy unless he’s streaking up the wing with one defender back, and Bunting certainly isn’t that guy.
To say that Bunting has carried the line is amusing. I’d be surprised if Bunting has held onto the puck for more than 100 seconds this season. He’s the recipient of his line mates hard work and he has a nose for the net. Let’s not make him into something he’s clearly not.
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Sullivan gots to go!
When the second PP unit gets fewer minutes than the first, then the likes of Malkin and Karlsson are going to suffer.
If it keeps him fresher, I don't have a major problem with it I suppose.
Joseph needs a new contract, as well. And it did not end well this past summer.
If it keeps him fresher, I don't have a major problem with it I suppose.
What are we doing with Graves? That is one expensive No. 7 defenseman right there.
Also, as long as Sullivan is coaching, the likes of Grz and Shea are candidates to return next season.
Joseph needs a new contract, as well. And it did not end well this past summer.
Interesting take on Poolparty
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I don't disagree necessarily. I figured a forward would be coming back in a Pettersson trade so I went with that. My opinion might change if more info is released suggesting teams are looking at a guy like Gryz or Graves. To me, neither hold value so when healthy, our defense is "deep" (in name only):
POJ-Letang
Pickering-Karlsson
Graves-Gryz
Shea-JSI
Clurman
We aren't trading anyone in the top 4 and I don't think anyone in the bottom 3/4 has value. While adding a guy like Hague would be nice, it creates quite the logjam. If we send out a guy like DOC out with Pettersson to up the return, it creates a whole in the lineup (technically). While it could easily be filled by McGroarty or Hayes, getting a guy like Hoglander would also be fine. My general belief is that we need a new element to spark that 3rd line. I don't think any combo we currently have is going to more than "merely existing" 3rd line.
Actually, a really good article breaking it down and it's hard to disagree with it. It leaves the debate of "Puljujarvi vs Glass or Beauvillier or Tomasino". In that context, it's not hard to see why Puljujarvi is on waivers. The "fairness" part is them saying "you're probably good enough to play regularly so we'll give you that chance" which isn't unfair.Interesting take on Poolparty
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You're taking it too literally. Let me clarify, on the scoresheet. He's been a point a game player. Best of anyone on his line.
How Malkin keeps getting criminally underrated by the Canadian press is nothing short of amazing lol
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Where does your favourite player rank? Top 25 players of the 2000s
Even when you mix in all the goal-scorers, gold medallists and Stanley Cup champs, a few players stand alone as the best of the 2000s. Ryan Dixon somehow narrows it down to a top 25.
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Interesting take on Poolparty
Jesse Puljujarvi
The curse of being good, but not great - and not specialized
This is why guys like Kahun washed out of the league while other guys like Sheary stayed. The thing that made Sheary stay in the NHL is that he went from an undersized, offensive winger to a 2-way winger that also PKed and could play in moderate defensive usage. Had he not had that development, Sheary would have been out of the NHL 5 years ago. People here complain about Sullivan insisting on guys like McGroarty and Poulin needing to PK and be defensively strong, but being able to PK and be defensively strong is what will actually allow them to stay in the league. Poulin is especially a guy that is trending towards that "good but not great and not specialized" group.
If you have 2 players competing for a 4th line PKing role, where one is a bad 5v5 player but has immense PKing experience and the other is a good 5v5 player but has no PKing experience, every coach is going to pick the first player. I'm not one to act like PKing is some sort of ultra special skill, but there are some guys who have been doing it since literally juniors and being specialized 4th line guys is what made them make the NHL. Puljujarvi has 11 career minutes on the PK in the NHL and I severely doubt he ever PKed much at all in the AHL, Liiga or juniors either. I don't think any team would bother trying to turn Puljujarvi into a PKer, especially when he's 26 already.
If he's to make it in the NHL, it's as a scoring 3rd liner that can drive play on a 2-way 3rd line. He doesn't have the track record for coaches to be patient with him, and he can't have runs of 3 points in 15 games early in a season if he wants to convince a coach he can be a regular in that kind of role. It's the same thought as when Sullivan said "Puustinen needs to score goals if he wants to play".
Sheary only started PKing for more than 2 minutes a season in his seventh season in the league. I don't think he's quite the example you're looking for and if anything, raises the question of why can't Puljujarvi learn to PK.
Which I think has a very obvious answer - being a good PKer is contingent on a few things and one of them is being a good systems player which Puljujarvi isn't. Which brings us back to the whole grumbling of why Sullivan insists everyone other than Sid and Geno must be a systems player which I've never had a bunch of sympathy with. As far as I'm concerned, the list of players good enough to get away with being a freelancer in the NHL is extremely small and the list of players that aren't is basically everyone less talented than Kessel. Some people will see this as conservatism, I see it as there being a surfeit of decent sized and decent skilled players who will fight tooth and claw to stay in the league which creates a really high ceiling for staying in based on pure skill.
But I didn't think Puljujarvi was that bad in terms of irresponsibility. I did think he was a noticeable playdriver on the third line. I don't see how his numbers could have been any better. And while the results have been acceptable while he's been healthy scratched, they've not been a result of solid play by the bottom six. I would have found a way there. That said, nobody wanting him makes me rethink things. It'll be interesting to see who gets recalled when the inevitable injuries and sell-offs hit.
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You know 55/65 games played year after year you should be happy with his 19 place. 13 years/seasons between full 82 games. He's barely a point per game dude looking to be a 3 time 82 games player at age 38How Malkin keeps getting criminally underrated by the Canadian press is nothing short of amazing lol
Where does your favourite player rank? Top 25 players of the 2000s
Even when you mix in all the goal-scorers, gold medallists and Stanley Cup champs, a few players stand alone as the best of the 2000s. Ryan Dixon somehow narrows it down to a top 25.
4 finals and 3 cups don't make up for that fact.
lol….
“Things are usually feeling pretty good until they don't when talking about New Year's Eve and New Year's Day. This is how the last stretch of Penguins hockey has felt. The good feelings were strong and now fleeting. The bad losses a dose of reality to an aging team.
The Penguins were a good reminder that even sketchy teams can put together some stretches of wins over the course of the season. With last night’s loss against the Detroit Red Wings they have now lost four out of the last eight games and back to bleeding games played without collecting points.
The losses are from the Senators, Devils, Islanders, and Red Wings. Three of those losses are just bad losses. The kind that can’t happen when you already have games in hand and are chasing points. In a way this is a good thing because the Penguins won’t be disillusioned into trying to buy. They can continue to focus selling pieces off of the roster. Per Moneypuck their playoff chances are at 5.4%. They can lean into selling. They can keep leaning into playing the Matt Nieto’s, and Noel Acciari’s of the world. It doesn’t really matter. The season remains a collect future assets kind of thing.
Kyle Dubas and Mike Sullivan need to get on the same page and alligned with what their actual goals are at this point. It should be to create lineups which facilitate extracting whatever perceived value they can out of the players they plan on trading.”
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“Things are usually feeling pretty good until they don't when talking about New Year's Eve and New Year's Day. This is how the last stretch of Penguins hockey has felt. The good feelings were strong and now fleeting. The bad losses a dose of reality to an aging team.
The Penguins were a good reminder that even sketchy teams can put together some stretches of wins over the course of the season. With last night’s loss against the Detroit Red Wings they have now lost four out of the last eight games and back to bleeding games played without collecting points.
The losses are from the Senators, Devils, Islanders, and Red Wings. Three of those losses are just bad losses. The kind that can’t happen when you already have games in hand and are chasing points. In a way this is a good thing because the Penguins won’t be disillusioned into trying to buy. They can continue to focus selling pieces off of the roster. Per Moneypuck their playoff chances are at 5.4%. They can lean into selling. They can keep leaning into playing the Matt Nieto’s, and Noel Acciari’s of the world. It doesn’t really matter. The season remains a collect future assets kind of thing.
Kyle Dubas and Mike Sullivan need to get on the same page and alligned with what their actual goals are at this point. It should be to create lineups which facilitate extracting whatever perceived value they can out of the players they plan on trading.”
HockeyBuzz.com - Ryan Wilson - Some clarity after a false front
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Apparently Puljujarvi told Dubas he wants to play.
“I want to play, because it’s been a long process for me getting to this point, being healthy. And I’m healthy now and I’d like to play,” Puljujarvi said Wednesday after practicing here in Detroit. “That’s the goal. And I will keep going to get that goal.”
Puljujarvi hinted that he may have asked Dubas to be moved elsewhere so he could play. The Penguins put him on waivers Monday but he went unclaimed Tuesday.
And so, there he was Wednesday, again an odd man out during their line rushes.
“It’s a hard business and you have to live with that,” Puljujarvi said about the path forward now. “I’d like to play and hopefully at some point I get a new opportunity.”
“I want to play, because it’s been a long process for me getting to this point, being healthy. And I’m healthy now and I’d like to play,” Puljujarvi said Wednesday after practicing here in Detroit. “That’s the goal. And I will keep going to get that goal.”
Puljujarvi hinted that he may have asked Dubas to be moved elsewhere so he could play. The Penguins put him on waivers Monday but he went unclaimed Tuesday.
And so, there he was Wednesday, again an odd man out during their line rushes.
“It’s a hard business and you have to live with that,” Puljujarvi said about the path forward now. “I’d like to play and hopefully at some point I get a new opportunity.”
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