Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Darren McCord]

Tbh if the Penguins really want Hoglander, I don't know why Pettersson has to be included in the deal. Throw them Puljujarvi and a 3rd and I bet that likely gets a deal done.

Get Hoglander now and let a bidding war happen for Pettersson closer to the deadline.

The way the team is winning (not playing because they look awful) they won't trade Petts anytime soon.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Think I'd rather have Pulju based on what I already know he CAN do here.

But clearly the buffoon that holds the lineup card does not agree so I mean... might as well move him for something.

Yeah it's more "Sullivan won't play him so trade him for someone Sullivan will play".

Nieto and a 3rd would be significantly more preferred but if he's just going to scratch Puljujarvi, just trade him for someone Sullivan would play.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

No idea why this dipshit team isn't showcasing Puljujarvi either. Dubas, if he had a f***in' spine (or brain), should be telling Sullivan to get him in games and to try and inflate his value by playing him up the lineup or something.

Dude's been very good in the minimal opportunity he's gotten so far imo. A bright spot. But he's obviously not part of this coach/team's plans now or moving forward, so try and get something for him asap.

Sorry, Mikey, this means scratching one of your beloved losers.

 

[Gurglesons]

No idea why this dipshit team isn't showcasing Puljujarvi either. Dubas, if he had a f***in' spine (or brain), should be telling Sullivan to get him in games and to try and inflate his value by playing him up the lineup or something.

Dude's been very good in the minimal opportunity he's gotten so far imo. A bright spot. But he's obviously not part of this coach/team's plans now or moving forward, so try and get something for him asap.

Sorry, Mikey, this means scratching one of your beloved losers.

Yeah, that's my biggest frustration of Pulju. If you get him to put up like 10-12 goals by the deadline you probably are getting an extra 3rd or 4th for him.

 

[SomeDude]

Think I'd rather have Pulju based on what I already know he CAN do here.

But clearly the buffoon that holds the lineup card does not agree so I mean... might as well move him for something.

I think if we just keep playing Pulju he would get us a 3rd back at the deadline.

I still can’t believe Sullivan watches that 4th line and believes he is icing the best possible lineup.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Yeah it's more "Sullivan won't play him so trade him for someone Sullivan will play".

Nieto and a 3rd would be significantly more preferred but if he's just going to scratch Puljujarvi, just trade him for someone Sullivan would play.

Wonderful situation this team has built for itself, here. Potentially just trading a perfectly good depth (maybe more?) player for reasons even Sullivan himself can't articulate with all his complete sentence powers just to re-roll the dice on yet another guy that looks like the last dozen guys that didn't work at all, here. I've said it before but Mike Sullivan doesn't even know what a "Mike Sullivan Player™" is.

I think if we just keep playing Pulju he would get us a 3rd back at the deadline.

I still can’t believe Sullivan watches that 4th line and believes he is icing the best possible lineup.

It's utterly asinine. I have no idea what they want from that guy. Even when point-blank asked what they want from that guy the coach just pulled the "platitudes" trigger and puked up a buncha word stew.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't know why Sullivan doesn't just play Puljujarvi. Dude's a big body, he skates well, he's smart, he has enough skill to distribute the pucks he digs out or gets on the forecheck, and he can finish chances now and then. Makes no sense. Could easily PK too, but y'know, he hasn't gone through the sacred initiation or whatever.

I'd be working the phones for Petts, Puljujarvi, Rakell, EK and Rust. And keeping an eye on the Avs to see if I could find a way to send Jarry there. EK and Rust are probably (almost definitely) off-season deals but it's good to let teams know they'll be available and to gauge interest. I think Petts, Puljujarvi and Rakell should definitely be moved by the TDL. DOC too, but that dude's worthless, and for good reason.

 

[Darren McCord]

It's utterly asinine. I have no idea what they want from that guy. Even when point-blank asked what they want from that guy the coach just pulled the "platitudes" trigger and puked up a buncha word stew.

Got back to school in Boston.

It is pure Bias from the coach. He wants guys from the USA or Boston who are seen as underdogs.

 

[SomeDude]

It's utterly asinine. I have no idea what they want from that guy. Even when point-blank asked what they want from that guy the coach just pulled the "platitudes" trigger and puked up a buncha word stew.

I also do not think it’s coincidental that our few young(ish) players that showed any flashes of potential only show it on their initial stint with the team.

Once Sully gets them to their game his way, they look lost, regressed, and ready to clear waivers and head to Europe.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Got back to school in Boston.

It is pure Bias from the coach. He wants guys from the USA or Boston who are seen as underdogs.

He sees himself in guys like Nieto, Acciari, Harkins, etc.

 

[Peat]

Hoglander might be paid "fairly."

But I don't want him fairly paid on this team. How many utterly milquetoast 30ish point middle six forwards with no developmental headroom or discernable skills does this team NEED? Just give me the damned 2nd rounder and toss in one of their "top prospects" in the same way Carolina did and I'll be fine.

I've seen enough forwards in their early to mid 20s break out after looking like they're just a guy that I have to disagree with him having no developmental headroom. I think NHL forwards in his position have a lot of developmental headroom, albeit at a point of the arc where the misses really outweigh the hits.

And I haven't been following his development closely and don't know where he's currently at, but I recall that the word on him was always really good hands + high motor and compete. He's a dude who's had 3 good 5v5 production seasons out of 5 and while he's probably not going to have too many 20% shooting seasons, he did at least somewhat earn that by being in the blue paint an absolute ton (extremely high high danger chance rate).

I haven't watched the kid enough to know for sure he's what they need but this isn't like he's, I dunno, a 27 year old Brock McGinn or anything. It feels like he's as decent a chance to shine up a 23 year old and get something good out of them going, the fact he's already got paid aside.

 

[Allie Kitsune]

Got back to school in Boston.

It is pure Bias from the coach. He wants guys from the USA or Boston who are seen as underdogs.

As someone who has always hated everything about Boston, this current Ownership Group and Staff's obsession with All Things Boston makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Got back to school in Boston.

It is pure Bias from the coach. He wants guys from the USA or Boston who are seen as underdogs.

Sullivan absolutely works the narratives that's for sure. Look at his system as a perfect example as to how his brain works... you conform to IT and all of it's pre-existing glory! We do not adjust for you. His brain is the same way... hell a lot of people's are. He already has HIS notion of the way things are and will manipulate situations to suit that narrative. At this point it's pretty obvious, I think. I believe he even places players he does not care for intentionally in poor or unsuitable situations in an effort to create some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. It's petty, egotistical and frankly behavior more suited to a pissy teenager than a grown adult trying to win at the highest level.

I've seen enough forwards in their early to mid 20s break out after looking like they're just a guy that I have to disagree with him having no developmental headroom. I think NHL forwards in his position have a lot of developmental headroom, albeit at a point of the arc where the misses really outweigh the hits.

And I haven't been following his development closely and don't know where he's currently at, but I recall that the word on him was always really good hands + high motor and compete. He's a dude who's had 3 good 5v5 production seasons out of 5 and while he's probably not going to have too many 20% shooting seasons, he did at least somewhat earn that by being in the blue paint an absolute ton (extremely high high danger chance rate).

I haven't watched the kid enough to know for sure he's what they need but this isn't like he's, I dunno, a 27 year old Brock McGinn or anything. It feels like he's as decent a chance to shine up a 23 year old and get something good out of them going, the fact he's already got paid aside.

I mean... I think there is a chance anyone can turn things around especially at that age. But I just can't help but see every single largely-ineffective middle six player that has come through here for years when I watch him play. I keep hearing about all this supposed ability he has but his numbers don't bear that out. And he's played good chunks of seasons with some pretty terrific players.

I dunno... if they could get him on a side deal for one of their like 1000 3rd round picks they've accumulated I wouldn't say no I suppose.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think on a team not coached by Sullivan, a Hoglander-Geno-Tomasino 2nd line might be pretty cool. But this team can't help but fall over themselves in adoration for the coach that's done nothing well since 2018 so, y'know.

 

[eXile3]

Petts for Hoglander and 2nd is such a Dubas deal.

It’s not much of a rebuilding move, or a compete move. Dilutes the return on both assets instead of committing to a direction.

 

[Ulf5]

Whoever the hell clutchpoints dot com is, they claim the Nuck had preliminary talks with the Bruins about Zadorov.

 

[Gurglesons]

Whoever the hell clutchpoints dot com is, they claim the Nuck had preliminary talks with the Bruins about Zadorov.

That's just something EF said.

 

[SomeDude]

Petts for Hoglander and 2nd is such a Dubas deal.

It’s not much of a rebuilding move, or a compete move. Dilutes the return on both assets instead of committing to a direction.

That’s the best way I’ve seen it worded and how I feel about his apparent strategy. In a vacuum, the value is fine, but he is a professional fence rider.

Pick a lane and go for it. This middling stuff is how you end up sucking for a decade+ instead of 3-5 years.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

That’s the best way I’ve seen it worded and how I feel about his apparent strategy. In a vacuum, the value is fine, but he is a professional fence rider.

Pick a lane and go for it. This middling stuff is how you end up sucking for a decade+ instead of 3-5 years.

This team needed an energetic, bold GM with a very clear direction and the will to do it.

But we got a waffler. ANOTHER waffler.

 

[SomeDude]

This team needed an energetic, bold GM with a very clear direction and the will to do it.

But we got a waffler. ANOTHER waffler.

Well, Milbury was energetic, bold and had the will to ruin everything he touched.

I’d settle for someone who would just fire the damn coach right now.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Just more annoyed than anything else that this team is 100% going to delude itself into thinking there's something there when there isn't. They should be aggressively shopping like half a dozen guys to be moved by next season.

Like, Jarry's played relatively well since coming back. He hasn't been stellar but he's not bombing games by himself anymore. But this team will see that and be like "Oh shit, our starter's back!" instead of trying to dangle him in front of some desperate team like the Avs or something.

Just a miserable, predictable team. Wholly unlikable because of their odd mix of ineptitude, cowardice, and arrogance.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

That’s the best way I’ve seen it worded and how I feel about his apparent strategy. In a vacuum, the value is fine, but he is a professional fence rider.

Pick a lane and go for it. This middling stuff is how you end up sucking for a decade+ instead of 3-5 years.

We can't pick a lane and go for it. It isn't possible to tank with Crosby on the team, but the team is (almost certainly) not good enough to win with him, either. Furthermore, trading him is untenable, unless he wants one. As such, trying to get better now and also later is the only option.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Well, Milbury was energetic, bold and had the will to ruin everything he touched.

I’d settle for someone who would just fire the damn coach right now.

Haha that's true. Really everything I just said was a bit of a cliche.

I guess what I mean is that if the team had any ambitions about A) turning the team around and being playoff caliber again or B) embracing the rebuild and selling out for every future you can acquire then they clearly got the wrong guy because Dubas just doesn't seem to have it in him.

Like you said the guy can't even fire the coach that is so past it that's it's painfully obvious to everyone else. What hope is there that he can spearhead either option above?

 

[SomeDude]

We can't pick a lane and go for it. It isn't possible to tank with Crosby on the team, but the team is (almost certainly) not good enough to win with him, either. Furthermore, trading him is untenable, unless he wants one. As such, trying to get better now and also later is the only option.

This team has looked horrendous the majority of the year with Crosby playing.

If they only option actually was this team circles the drain of mediocrity for the foreseeable future, or Crosby leaves, I’ll pack his bags.

People act like Sid is some idiot who thought he was still playing on a contender. He’s played on good teams. He knows this one sucks. He still signed an extension. That was his choice. We don’t have to try to win because he wants to retire here. We did that. Now it’s time to worry about the next core.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

We can't pick a lane and go for it. It isn't possible to tank with Crosby on the team, but the team is (almost certainly) not good enough to win with him, either. Furthermore, trading him is untenable, unless he wants one. As such, trying to get better now and also later is the only option.

Buuuuuuuullshit. They *refuse* to tank while Sid's around. It's entirely possible to tank with Sid around. This team almost ended up picking like 7th last season if not for a late hot streak, and that was with half a year of Jake and Sid playing as well as anybody his age ever has.

You trade Petts, Rust, Rakell, and EK by next October and you're in the running for McKenna. Doesn't matter if Sid's still around. I mean, I don't think they'll have the balls to do it, but it should be done.