Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

Andy99

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If every d-man looks like shit in a system then you have to look at the forwards. They don’t slow anyone down in the N zone and they don’t support the breakout enough, or cover for pinching D well enough.
I mean, yeah…but if it’s almost everyone and you’ve changed out the bottom six forwards at least and done it three times, then the coach is the real problem lol
 

Big Friggin Dummy

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Legit question; How's Montgomery's track record with youth? I know it's kind of impossible to tell with his time in Boston, since their prospect pool's every bit as bad or worse than this team's, but does he have a history of working with younger guys or getting the most out of 'em or anything?

I dunno. Couldn't give a shit about the here and now, though it's impossible to do worse than Sully has with this team. This team's gotta look for somebody that's gonna guide them through the next chapter imo.
 

Sidney the Kidney

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I mean the forwards D coverage on this team is ass don't mistake me but any defensive system evidently predicated on gradeschool-level concepts like "just go pick up your man and play hard" is gonna get exposed daily by NHL rosters/coaching/scouting.
Seriously. If the overall message is essentially "just look for your man", then that's going to be so easy to pick apart by the opposition. It's no wonder we have so much trouble when the opposition "crosses over" and suddenly no one knows which man is supposed to be theirs to cover.

The more I hear about the things (or lack of things) Sullivan has the team doing, the more it absolutely boggles my mind that he's so well regarded by the owners. They own the Red Sox. It would be like if their manager's entire instructions to the batters was "just hit the ball if you think you can" or to the pitchers "just throw it past the hitter" without any actual tactics.
 
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DesertedPenguin

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But really though... with Kingerski all but confirming that the team's DZ setup is seriously "just figure it out" -- what does this coaching staff DO? Dave Quinn is "coaching the defensemen" -- to do what, exactly? Grow sweet mustaches? We all know Mike Sullivan checked out like 5+ years ago and is basically just trying out new ties in front of a live audience these days. So like... where does all this loyalty and unfettered ballwashing even come from?

This is a professional sports team with guys making millions of dollars and they are actively coaching the defense (which has been a horrible issue for years and well worth tweaking to get better) to just... go out there and give 'em hell. That's insane to me.
I think two things are true:
1. The Penguins do run a defensive system that requires high IQ and awareness, which is why some players haven't adapted well. Some players have even talked about it, saying that it just takes some time to adjust and that communication is key.

I think the biggest issue is less the system and more its rigidity. Teams have figured it out. Every system has holes. The best teams find ways to be flexible to adapt against certain opponents, something Sullivan used to do. We're not seeing that now.

2. Kingerski doesn't know shit about systems, so anything he writes about players not Sullivan's system is absolutely worthless.
 
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BlindWillyMcHurt

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I think two things are true:
1. The Penguins do run a defensive system that requires high IQ and awareness, which is why some players haven't adapted well. Some players have even talked about it, saying that it just takes some time to adjust and that communication is key.

I think the biggest issue is less the system and more its rigidity. Teams have figured it out. Every system has holes. The best teams find ways to be flexible to adapt against certain opponents, something Sullivan used to do. We're not seeing that now.

2. Kingerski doesn't know shit about systems, so anything he writes about players not Sullivan's system is absolutely worthless.

lol fair enough... your last bullet point there is especially relevant. Kingerski is a dolt.

It's funny to me that both Disco and now Sullivan ran rigid defensive systems that are considered difficult to play and eventually started giving the team major issues.
 

Andy99

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I think two things are true:
1. The Penguins do run a defensive system that requires high IQ and awareness, which is why some players haven't adapted well. Some players have even talked about it, saying that it just takes some time to adjust and that communication is key.

I think the biggest issue is less the system and more its rigidity. Teams have figured it out. Every system has holes. The best teams find ways to be flexible to adapt against certain opponents, something Sullivan used to do. We're not seeing that now.

2. Kingerski doesn't know shit about systems, so anything he writes about players not Sullivan's system is absolutely worthless.
As to 2., true…but he has a former coach doing podcasts…so when he says this, just understand that it’s coming from someone else who actually has knowledge..lol…he pretends he knows but he’s being fed the info lol
 

The Old Master

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lol fair enough... your last bullet point there is especially relevant. Kingerski is a dolt.

It's funny to me that both Disco and now Sullivan ran rigid defensive systems that are considered difficult to play and eventually started giving the team major issues.
some things just don't add up. when a coach gets the nhl he has 2 choices,
1. he can match his system to the players he has.
2. he can get the gm to draft/trade to get players to play his system
we have seemed to have failed at both. so, we are left with many reasons for failing but it still puts it on the gm and/or coach. we have had lots of time to do both.
 

cygnus47

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some things just don't add up. when a coach gets the nhl he has 2 choices,
1. he can match his system to the players he has.
2. he can get the gm to draft/trade to get players to play his system
we have seemed to have failed at both. so, we are left with many reasons for failing but it still puts it on the gm and/or coach. we have had lots of time to do both.

These both assume the coach still has a system and didn't abandon it half a decade ago.
 

DesertedPenguin

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As to 2., true…but he has a former coach doing podcasts…so when he says this, just understand that it’s coming from someone else who actually has knowledge..lol…he pretends he knows but he’s being fed the info lol
Former players and coaches can be dumb, too. Just watch any broadcast of any sport anywhere.
 

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