Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

[Jag68Sid87]

If Maatta can net a 3rd rounder, what can Grz fetch? Maatta has been a No. 6-7 defenseman for Detroit so far this season. Grz has been playing top-four minutes (albeit badly) all season. Can we get a third for Grz? I'd settle for a fourth. Of course, he is a BU alum, so a contract extension is probably already being drawn up. But one can dream.

Pettersson is a different animal altogether. He should be worth a lot more than what we think. But teams probably view us as a sinking ship (correctly), so they probably will take their time making their best offers for him.

I am still torn on moving Pettersson. I mean, if Sullivan stays then whatever. But a player like him could be great for a post-Sullivan era. Then again, the same could be said of others.

The trade season has opened. Let's get to work Mike the Czar Sullivan.

You do it by taking bad money back in the deal.

So you want to trade bad money for bad money, just to get more underwhelming draft capital?

Can we come up with a different plan already? This one is clearly shitty. Unless you are enjoying Kevin Hayes, Cody Glass et al.

 

[Sideline]

If Maatta can net a 3rd rounder, what can Grz fetch? Maatta has been a No. 6-7 defenseman for Detroit so far this season. Grz has been playing top-four minutes (albeit badly) all season. Can we get a third for Grz? I'd settle for a fourth. Of course, he is a BU alum, so a contract extension is probably already being drawn up. But one can dream.

Pettersson is a different animal altogether. He should be worth a lot more than what we think. But teams probably view us as a sinking ship (correctly), so they probably will take their time making their best offers for him.

I am still torn on moving Pettersson. I mean, if Sullivan stays then whatever. But a player like him could be great for a post-Sullivan era. Then again, the same could be said of others.

The trade season has opened. Let's get to work Mike the Czar Sullivan.


So you want to trade bad money for bad money, just to get more underwhelming draft capital?

Can we come up with a different plan already? This one is clearly shitty. Unless you are enjoying Kevin Hayes, Cody Glass et al.

I think Pettersson should bring back at least a 1st round pick. When you look at the pending UFAs on defense it is a very thin rental market. Pettersson is arguably the best defenseman available.

 

[eXile3]

Remember when we were worried about Sid and Geno preventing us from getting high picks? lol. Not really concerned about that anymore.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

You do it by taking bad money back in the deal.

Agreed. Cap doesn't matter for this team anymore. Time to sell off anything with even a bit of value and take on bad deals in exchange for picks and prospects. Hopefully they fall bass ackwards into some stud, building block type guy who comes in and can learn from Sid and Geno while they're still around.

 

[Pens x]

Can Dubas and Sully please resign?

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Can Dubas and Sully please resign?

This is one of the first times I've seen "resign" used here correctly. Props.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

MP doesn’t get a 1st, would be my bet. Hope I’m wrong.

No real incentive for teams to pay up. They know the Pens have their back against wall. Unless there is a bidding war which I doubt for a LD.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think last year's Petts gets you a 1st. This year's Petts, eh. Maybe some team's desperate. It probably won't be better than like a 25th overall though.

 

[eXile3]

I’m fine if MP brings back a 2nd. A first would be nice but teams just aren’t paying that for rentals anymore.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

The tricky thing is going to be "building trade value" for any of these players when the team is a steaming pile of yak dung. Usually a team at least says "f*** it go play" once they realize they suck (look at EK in his last SJ year). But for some reason the Penguins are still trying to grind away wins even though they can't and are cutting themselves off at the knees regarding their offense in order to achieve this. So basically you can't build value at any position because none of them work on this team.

Top three coach in the league, though.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Still betting on a 2nd and a B prospect for Pettersson as a rental. Very similar to what Tanev brought back last year.

 

[Sideline]

Still betting on a 2nd and a B prospect for Pettersson as a rental. Very similar to what Tanev brought back last year.

I would be happy with something like a 2nd and Defenseman Elias Pettersson from Vancouver who are allegedly looking for a top 4d.

 

[Sike Mullivan]

I wonder if KD was on the group text of Yzerman offering Walman+2nd for future considerations to all the GMs.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Omg…Dubas, get Marcus on the next bus outta here if that’s what Maatta goes for…lol

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851459937093718398

MP doesn’t get a 1st, would be my bet. Hope I’m wrong.

No real incentive for teams to pay up. They know the Pens have their back against wall. Unless there is a bidding war which I doubt for a LD.

Still betting on a 2nd and a B prospect for Pettersson as a rental. Very similar to what Tanev brought back last year.

Late 1st or 2nd + B prospect.

I potentially could see us do a 1st for a 3rd + Petts for example.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Could something like Fiala and Karlsson be worked out.

We retain a bunch on Karlsson. We give them a LW cheap let's say DOC or Cody Glass to fill the LW hole.

Then we take back Fiala ++

Defense is thin. Doughty probably would be fine focusing on ES and PK. More minutes for him there.

 

[Headshot77]

If Maatta can net a 3rd rounder, what can Grz fetch? Maatta has been a No. 6-7 defenseman for Detroit so far this season. Grz has been playing top-four minutes (albeit badly) all season. Can we get a third for Grz? I'd settle for a fourth. Of course, he is a BU alum, so a contract extension is probably already being drawn up. But one can dream.

Pettersson is a different animal altogether. He should be worth a lot more than what we think. But teams probably view us as a sinking ship (correctly), so they probably will take their time making their best offers for him.

I am still torn on moving Pettersson. I mean, if Sullivan stays then whatever. But a player like him could be great for a post-Sullivan era. Then again, the same could be said of others.

The trade season has opened. Let's get to work Mike the Czar Sullivan.


So you want to trade bad money for bad money, just to get more underwhelming draft capital?

Can we come up with a different plan already? This one is clearly shitty. Unless you are enjoying Kevin Hayes, Cody Glass et al.

The plan is to trade mid players for bad players + picks

 

[SEALBound]

It could be an earlier (before the TDL) trade with Pettersson and him returning a 1st like Chiarot did. That's me being hopeful though. Realistically, he has solid 2nd+4th value but rest assured, there will month long discussions bemoaning Dubas for not getting the 1st

I think Eller might get us a 2nd as well. Dude has turned back the clock a little. He'd be a fantastic TDL depth add to bolster a bottom 6 center slot for any contender. I'm honestly eyeing Edmonton there.

 

[Sike Mullivan]

I could be an earlier (before the TDL) trade with Pettersson and him returning a 1st like Chiarot did. That's me being hopeful though. Realistically, he has solid 2nd+4th value but rest assured, there will month long discussions bemoaning Dubas for not getting the 1st

Since he has admitted hes the type to pay extra to get his guy earlier, I wonder if something like 1st+for Petts retained from Vancouver would be in play. Even if we have to take somebody like Brannstrom for a contract spot.

 

[SEALBound]

Since he has admitted hes the type to pay extra to get his guy earlier, I wonder if something like 1st+for Petts retained from Vancouver would be in play. Even if we have to take somebody like Brannstrom for a contract spot.

Yeah, I would be on board with that, though does Vancouver really need defense?

Edmonton is another team that could really use Pettersson. I package of Pettersson and Eller to Edmonton at the TDL would make a lot of sense.

 

[Sideline]

It could be an earlier (before the TDL) trade with Pettersson and him returning a 1st like Chiarot did. That's me being hopeful though. Realistically, he has solid 2nd+4th value but rest assured, there will month long discussions bemoaning Dubas for not getting the 1st

I think Eller might get us a 2nd as well. Dude has turned back the clock a little. He'd be a fantastic TDL depth add to bolster a bottom 6 center slot for any contender. I'm honestly eyeing Edmonton there.

Eller is my sleeper candidate to get a surprisingly good return at the deadline. Centres are always in demand, he's playing well this year, a proven winner, and most importantly on a very affordable cap hit with no trade protection.

Teams like Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Vancouver are always struggling with available players having them on no trade lists.

 

[Sike Mullivan]

Yeah, I would be on board with that, though does Vancouver really need defense?

Edmonton is another team that could really use Pettersson. I package of Pettersson and Eller to Edmonton at the TDL would make a lot of sense.

I guess if they feel Petts is a top 4 upgrade to Soucy+Forbort.

Edm could definitely use Petts+Eller, but I just dont see how they can make the $ work. Unless we go full tank and take Nurse+++

 

[SEALBound]

Could something like Fiala and Karlsson be worked out.

We retain a bunch on Karlsson. We give them a LW cheap let's say DOC or Cody Glass to fill the LW hole.

Then we take back Fiala ++

Defense is thin. Doughty probably would be fine focusing on ES and PK. More minutes for him there.

Their RD is pretty dreadful but so would ours be without Karlsson. That said, Fiala on Sid's wing might be okay. At the very least, give Sid some higher-end skill to finish his career out with.

I guess if they feel Petts is a top 4 upgrade to Soucy+Forbort.

Edm could definitely use Petts+Eller, but I just dont see how they can make the $ work. Unless we go full tank and take Nurse+++

They'd have the room at the TDL, especially if we retained half on Pettersson.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Their RD is pretty dreadful but so would ours be without Karlsson. That said, Fiala on Sid's wing might be okay. At the very least, give Sid some higher-end skill to finish his career out with.


They'd have the room at the TDL, especially if we retained half on Pettersson.

That was my thought process. Atleast then Sid would have a winger who has offensive talent.

Fiala doesn't know what defense means though.

 

[ZorkEnchanter]

You guys have this all wrong. We aren't here for competent hockey...

We are here for the Queen's English. Mike Sullivan enunciate some fine sentences to us. It will make the pain go away.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

The plan is to trade mid players for bad players + picks

It's a terrible plan. Just saying. The bad players MUST have expiring deals. No more Kevin Hayes deals. If we continue down this path, we become Montreal's roster, with a bunch of contracts you cannot move and must wait them out.

We already have the Jarry contract. The Graves contract. The Hayes contract. We cannot bring in another bad contract unless one of these is going the other way.

I guess if they feel Petts is a top 4 upgrade to Soucy+Forbort.

Edm could definitely use Petts+Eller, but I just dont see how they can make the $ work. Unless we go full tank and take Nurse+++

Nurse improves our blueline greatly. He is overpaid, not useless. His minute-munching would greatly help Letang and Karlsson.

If Nurse has ever been offered, we must try hard to get a deal done.