Salary Cap: Pens '24-'25 Salary Thread: The Crosbicles Volume XIX

AuroraBorealis

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With each passing game, the argument that Bylsma is a better coach than Sullivan gets more and more convincing. I'm pretty much sold at this point.

Sullivan had higher highs, but I'm giving the nod to DB for the overall.
I don't believe we would have missed the playoffs the last 2 years under him. Nor do I think he'd be 3-5-1 here right now, with the 31st ranked defense and Sid dormant.

This is just trash coaching.
DBs doing better with Seattle.
 
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Lustaf

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With each passing game, the argument that Bylsma is a better coach than Sullivan gets more and more convincing. I'm pretty much sold at this point.

Sullivan had higher highs, but I'm giving the nod to DB for the overall.
I don't believe we would have missed the playoffs the last 2 years under him. Nor do I think he'd be 3-5-1 here right now, with the 31st ranked defense and Sid dormant.

This is just trash coaching.
DBs doing better with Seattle.
I don't see the need for the comparison, at this point Sullivan is past his best before date.

In my mind that's all there is to it.

The alternative is what?

The team is already 26th out of 32, the bottom has already come.
 
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Honour Over Glory

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Yeah. How does Jarry avoid waivers here?

Not like anyone would have claimed him. Not even Colorado is that desperate.
They can send him on a conditioning loan for 14 consecutive days, still counts against the cap etc.

Teams have done it before, it's not new. It doesn't always end up being because of a return from an injury.

Best decision management has made since buying out JJ

Edit: I want to see what happens if Jarry absolutely shits the bed during this "conditioning stint"
I think 14 days away from the shit goalie coach and with a better one wbs and some games might do him a lot of good. Hopefully enough to come back up, win a bunch and be easier to trade.

Or did you lot want this to fail to bitch about another thing like we don't have enough to be angry about?
 

Tacitus Kilgore

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Imagine needing a conditioning stint 8 or so games into the season. That's like coming back to work from a month PTO and then asking for a couple days off

I'm hoping I witness the blowout loss that ended Mike Sullivan's long term romance with FSG and got his ass fired.

If only the canucks arena wasn't garbage I'd at least be able to enjoy it at a nice venue.

It should be like that (Fla Panthers?) coach who got fired after the game with the pics of the opposing (Canes?) teams equipment managers loading his bags into a car to the airport
 

Jacob

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I hate Acciari but he’s been fine so far, maybe even good.

The Jarry thing is unusual if he’s healthy. But Dubas seems like he’s a fan of conditioning stints in general. Especially for goalies.
 

eXile3

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Why is it so hard for GMs to admit their mistakes? Jarry is never going to be worth that contract.

You have a goalie who can’t make saves behind a coach who won’t coach defense. Maybe Dubas is trying to tank.
 

molon labe

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Coach will only matter alongside roster changes. That being said, Sullivan's expiration was years ago and at this point he's turning into a new substance all together.

If they don't fire him, it's probably just as simple as they don't give a shit anymore (my take). I think after Sid was willing to commit they knew they were going to make expected profits and that's that. Things usually just boil down to money - especially with groups like our owners. There's no reason they care if we're 31st or 16th at this point, genuinely. Their long term plans probably involve a team sale in a decade or less.

If they do fire him, there's a pulse to this organization. But we're still missing a brain. The roster, as constructed, stinks. It's awful, and most anyone saw that a mile away. We can't score, we can't defend - and that's both on the system we employ and the abilities of the players we have. So firing him would be step one, but other than the initial dopamine hit I'm not sure what else folks are expecting. We're going to beat equally shit teams this year, but we're going to get run into the ground 9/10 times against playoff teams. They'll have off nights or back to backs where we can celebrate a win - but by and large this team was a 35 win team (tops) before puck dropped opening night.
 

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My main takeaway from last nights Oilers game, is they fired the D coach after last season because the system wasn't working and hired a new coach that is now having the defense play the exact same way.

You can see it from Crosby on every play. Defense gets the puck in their own zone, hard around and out along the boards/glass. There is hardly any setup and no one carries the puck out. Get possession, hard around. Break up a play, hard around. It is a system designed to have no danger in your own zone at all and for the players the Penguins have and what they probably want to do, it is the exact opposite system to play.
 
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Malkinstheman

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My main takeaway from last nights Oilers game, is they fired the D coach after last season because the system wasn't working and hired a new coach that is now having the defense play the exact same way.

You can see it from Crosby on every play. Defense gets the puck in their own zone, hard around and out along the boards/glass. There is hardly any setup and no one carries the puck out. Get possession, hard around. Break up a play, hard around. It is a system designed to have no danger in your own zone at all and for the players the Penguins have and what they probably want to do, it is the exact opposite system to play.
The worst part is that the system doesnt change according to the opponent. Carolina was crashing the boards super hard and taking away the pass but they just kept doing it all night. Coaching staff is like a deer in headlights
 
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Khelandros

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The worst part is that the system doesnt change according to the opponent. Carolina was crashing the boards super hard and taking away the pass but they just kept doing it all night. Coaching staff is like a deer in headlights

Why would you ever change your system?

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- Mike Sullivan (probably)
 

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