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Grouch said:
They are doing literally everything to keep Hinostroza off the ice, including picking up Vinnie light at 20 lbs lighter, slower, and worse hands.

These guys are f&%#(* clueless
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WBS needs players too, currently have 4 up in NHL and 5 injured.
 
SEALBound said:
There's nothing that indicates he won't be able to play come playoff time. This isn't a broken leg or knee surgery or something where the recovery time and post-recovery play is questionable.

Teams have seen enough of Guentzel. This is a long-term, high-performing first-line left wing. Teams looking to add him don't need an extra 2-3 games to scout him. They can watch as much film on him as they want.

The position of strength hasn't changed one bit. If a team wants him, they will pay the price Dubas wants. End of story. This isn't a Taylor Hall or Thomas Vanek situation where they have to dump him by the TDL and are forced to take a meager return. Worst case, they don't and they resign him.

Every team in the gutter has a Guentzel-level player. Resigning him to a $9mil x 7yr isn't going to impact our rebuild when it comes and it would keep Sid happy.

My concern now is more about getting a 1st that compensates for losing 24/25 to SJS from the EK trade. They are 24th in the league which means it could likely be the 25 1st they lose. If that's the case, I try to make a deal with Edmonton - Smith+Neds for Foegele+1st. Even if it's a late first, it's better than nothing.
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I don't think his legacy or his ability the issue. The question is if he is 100% come playoff time. Considering his 4 week is just after the trade deadline, we'll know soon enough the reality of the injury (ie. if he starts practicing, non contact jersey, etc).

When I said position of strength, I meant getting top dollar. Of course they don't have to trade him, so yes, there is no burning requirement which drives the price down.

The question is will teams be willing to pay for a lightly injured Guentzel.

My guess is they will end up keeping him.
 
Sidgeni Malkby said:
I don't think his legacy or his ability the issue. The question is if he is 100% come playoff time. Considering his 4 week is just after the trade deadline, we'll know soon enough the reality of the injury (ie. if he starts practicing, non contact jersey, etc).

When I said position of strength, I meant getting top dollar. Of course they don't have to trade him, so yes, there is no burning requirement which drives the price down.

The question is will teams be willing to pay for a lightly injured Guentzel.

My guess is they will end up keeping him.
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Seravelli says they will Lol…

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Pittsburgh Penguins’ Jake Guentzel’s injury shouldn’t impact trade value

Guentzel is expected to miss up to four weeks with an upper-body injury.
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Could a team that’s close to the cap trade for Jake and keep him on LTIR until the playoffs if they wanted to get around the salary cap?
 
T1K said:
Could a team that’s close to the cap trade for Jake and keep him on LTIR until the playoffs if they wanted to get around the salary cap?
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Yep, that loophole is still wide open. But said team would probably want Jake to get used to said teammates and system in those ~15 games before the playoffs too.
 
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I'd only see one real possibility of benefit to trading Jake, which is the possibility of using received draft capital for moving up from the ~12th pick into the top 5 for the '24 draft and getting a blue-chip forward. And that's only if you're sure Guentzel would still be happy to come back to Pittsburgh in the off-season after the rental.

I'm looking at either this Ivan Demidov or Cole Eiserman. Demidov can be Geno's protege and help give him a reason to stay around an extra year. But more likely Sullivan doesn't want anymore Russians and goes for the best American prospect. Either way, someone who can join the big club by the 2025-2026 season and help with that one last hurrah. Hopefully Yager and Pickering will be able to contribute by that season as well.

2025 - 2026
Guentzel - Crosby - Rust
Poulin - Malkin - Demidov
O'Connor - Yager - Rakell
Hallander - Acciari - Puustinen

Pettersson - Karlsson
Pickering - Letang
Graves - St. Ivany

Jarry
Blomqvist
 
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enviSAGE said:
Yep, that loophole is still wide open. But said team would probably want Jake to get used to said teammates and system in those ~15 games before the playoffs too.
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I’d love to see him get dealt to Toronto or Edmonton. I have serious doubts he’s going to sign an extension here.

In a way, this injury may have increased his trade value, as crazy as that sounds.
 
This actually might be a good time to trade for a roster need that is signed beyond this year. If the team can pull something together then Jake is our deadline acquisition, if they shit the bed then Jake probably goes.
 
BigFatCat999 said:
Preds fan who lives 4hrs from y'all. How attached are you to Karlsson?
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I respect his compete level on most nights. Fairly happy with his even-strength play, considering the defense has been better than I expected.
He has been abysmal on the PP though.

It's frustrating watching someone with this much talent play below his potential. He makes a lot of stupid decisions in critical offensive situations, which surprises me to see. I thought he was smarter than this. It's like his high-strung emotions cloud his awareness.
He'll get like 50-55 points, but this is a guy that should be pushing 80 when playing a full season in this role imo...especially when you consider that scoring is the highest it's been at in 30 years.

So to answer your question more directly, I'm fairly attached just because of the added entertainment value. This team doesn't have a lot of it.
But if they signalled the rebuild and traded off everything, including him, then I'm on board 100%.
 
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Apparently, he doesn't have the skating power. And in case you haven't noticed, he isn't the biggest guy in the world. I'd try him in the top six and on the PP.
 
Trade pretty much everybody they're able to.

Smith: back to VGK for a draft pic and spare parts to make the cap work
Carter: back to LAK for a draft pic and spare parts to make the cap work
POJ: to whoever for a forward in a similar situation as POJ OR for a more physical D who is in a similar situation as POJ
Guentzel: at 50% to a contender for a number of prospects and spare parts to make the cap work
one or both of the goalies: to the highest bidders

Then float those draft pics out there for players that interest you from teams who want pics as opposed to players/prospects.
 
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In a tight cap world Karlsson was simply not going to be moveable that easy. But teams have cap this coming year and I do expect the rebuild to take off after next year. Dubas knows he has contractual issues that have to become a non-factor then. Rust NMC is gone, Karlsson is far less in actual salary than his AAV. Geno who knows. But no question moving Jake will be the indicator of what Dubas plans are. I think Dubas offers a good deal and Jake is here and then dealt in 3 years.
 
chethejet said:
In a tight cap world Karlsson was simply not going to be moveable that easy. But teams have cap this coming year and I do expect the rebuild to take off after next year. Dubas knows he has contractual issues that have to become a non-factor then. Rust NMC is gone, Karlsson is far less in actual salary than his AAV. Geno who knows. But no question moving Jake will be the indicator of what Dubas plans are. I think Dubas offers a good deal and Jake is here and then dealt in 3 years.
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i will not be impressed or happy with Dubas if he doesn’t trade Jake for some decent assets…he can re-sign him all he wants in the summer, he can trade Smith and Rakell, although doubtful anyone is taking the latter, and make whatever other moves, but, seriously, if he holds on to Jake past the TDL, I’m going to be seriously angry…
 
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