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Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

How soon before Letang is back on PP1:

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Super Duper said:
I don't think a change of scenery is exactly what Rakell needs just yet.

He's just looked so lost on the ice this year, like he doesn't know where he fits on his line or what his role really is. This is ESPECIALLY evident on the pp, where's it looks like he's trying really hard to get to a good spot, only to find someone else already there.

It was brief, but his game on the third line had more consistency to his game, more comfort. Can't remember who said it in the game thread, but being the man on a line can be a really good thing. It will give him a more clear role.

Could be a completely off observation honestly. But either way, to pay that contract for a third line player might not be too good lol
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I'm counting on him getting better, but still would consider a hockey trade for a different kind of player. Ultimately he's a Hextall signing, and not making himself very indispensable right now. Problem of course is that his value is limited.

Agreed about Rakell on the third line. I'm not very concerned about having a $5 million player on the third line as that's probably what has to happen if you want scoring spread around. Look no further than Phil Kessel.
 
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Just put Rakell on PP1 and tell him to plonk his ass right in the goalie's face. If he can't do anything productive at ES, at least he's big enough to be a nuisance as a net front guy.

At ES, yeah, Rakell should definitely be demoted from the top-6. I just have no idea who you promote, cuz this team's bottom-6 ain't exactly full of guys with promise.
 
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Big Friggin Dummy said:
Just put Rakell on PP1 and tell him to plonk his ass right in the goalie's face. If he can't do anything productive at ES, at least he's big enough to be a nuisance as a net front guy.

At ES, yeah, Rakell should definitely be demoted from the top-6. I just have no idea who you promote, cuz this team's bottom-6 ain't exactly full of guys with promise.
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Hinnestroza seems like he gets a breakaway every other game. Geno and Smith need a disrupter so maybe that’s a decent fit? I dunno how Sullivan feels about that though. He gets stuck in that weird mental loop of his, thinking only guys who played in the top-6 for him before can possibly play in the top-6 for him now.
 
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Turin said:
The goalie situation would be volatile as balls but yea sounds good, Hyman is exactly what the PP needs.
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The challenge would be health/durability.

I think Ned's reliance on technique vs. Jarry relying on athleticism is good for this team. But Ned hasn't had a starter's workload in a while. And while Hellberg is a viable back-up, he doesn't have the best NHL track record. There's a reason he spent so much time in the KHL.

But...Blomqvist has been solid to start in the AHL. So he could be closer to the NHL than expected.

So, yeah, it's volatile. But in a way, so is this feast or famine with Jarry.

If Edmonton comes to you with a knockout deal that includes Hyman, I think you have to consider it. But being realistic, Jarry won't be going anywhere soon.

canadianguy77 said:
Hinnestroza seems like he gets a breakaway every other game. Geno and Smith need a disrupter so maybe that’s a decent fit? I dunno how Sullivan feels about that though. He gets stuck in that weird mental loop of his, thinking only guys who played in the top-6 for him before can possibly play in the top-6 for him now.
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Eh, Hinostroza does this everywhere. Buffalo fans were here in the off-season saying we'll love Hinostroza early because of his speed and chances, but then his inability to actually score will wear thin and he'll work his way out of the lineup.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
The challenge would be health/durability.

I think Ned's reliance on technique vs. Jarry relying on athleticism is good for this team. But Ned hasn't had a starter's workload in a while. And while Hellberg is a viable back-up, he doesn't have the best NHL track record. There's a reason he spent so much time in the KHL.

But...Blomqvist has been solid to start in the AHL. So he could be closer to the NHL than expected.

So, yeah, it's volatile. But in a way, so is this feast or famine with Jarry.

If Edmonton comes to you with a knockout deal that includes Hyman, I think you have to consider it. But being realistic, Jarry won't be going anywhere soon.


Eh, Hinostroza does this everywhere. Buffalo fans were here in the off-season saying we'll love Hinostroza early because of his speed and chances, but then his inability to actually score will wear thin and he'll work his way out of the lineup.
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Rak doesn’t score either though. But maybe Hinistroza would help out Geno and Smith in ways that Rak isn’t. It’s worth a shot. Doing nothing is worse than trying something at this point.
 
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canadianguy77 said:
Hinnestroza seems like he gets a breakaway every other game. Geno and Smith need a disrupter so maybe that’s a decent fit? I dunno how Sullivan feels about that though. He gets stuck in that weird mental loop of his, thinking only guys who played in the top-6 for him before can possibly play in the top-6 for him now.
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I don't think Hino would really be of any use higher than the 3rd line, and I think Smith already does the things you're talking about tbh. But like you said later; f*** it, why not? :laugh:
 
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Vegas game my take...
- Vegas defense wasn't as difficult to play against compared to Carolina. They gave us quite a bit of space to work with.

- Ned was the main reason we won that game. He saved what he was supposed to save, then went above and beyond to stop stuff he isn't supposed to stop. I really hope they shift a decent portion of the workload to Ned, as I believe they DID get him with rebound in mind.

*rant on*
This is the key! If you stop the easy shots, then D can insulate and help you on the hard shots.

It's as simple as dealing with a 2on1. As a D, if you trust your goalie to likely to stop the shooter, you focus 90/10 pass/shot (as you are supposed to). If your goalie sucks, then you focus 60/40 on the pass/shot.
*rant off*

- Malkin's line seems out of sync :\. It's not just Raks, but Smith seems to be out of sorts. It almost seems like they have been Sullyfied.

- Carter didn't hurt us!

- SH we are beastly!

- Our PP is beastly!

I will say the team this year is more fun to watch compared to last year. You never know what to expect.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
Jarry, Nylander and Hamaliuk for Hyman, Pickard and Lavoie.

Do it Dubas.
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Makes no sense for Oilers. If they take Jarry somebody's gotta take Campbell's contract. Dubas' best chance is finding a 3rd team to absorb Campbell's contract in exchange for Edmonton 1st+. As for the return to Pens I doubt we get Hyman out of it but maybe we get some cap space to do something.
 
Zbynek said:
Makes no sense for Oilers. If they take Jarry somebody's gotta take Campbell's contract. Dubas' best chance is finding a 3rd team to absorb Campbell's contract in exchange for Edmonton 1st+. As for the return to Pens I doubt we get Hyman out of it but maybe we get some cap space to do something.
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I think Edmonton's best chance to find a team with cap space and a good young goalie and see if they can overpay to get them to take Campbell. Like Vejmelka for Campbell + blue chip prospect + 1st + 3rd +....whatever else. Or pay out the nose for Askarov from Nashville while giving them a 1st and Broberg.

It's just not going to be pretty for them. Other option is a swap for an equally bad goalie on an equally bad contract. Maybe Cal Petersen?

I just don't know how many goalies have to tank after signing big time anchor contracts before GMs figure out you shouldn't do it. Guys like Campbell and Jarry should be making $3mil. Go look at the active list of goalies and their cap hits and performance. There's absurd money out there for mediocrity.
 
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SEALBound said:
I think Edmonton's best chance to find a team with cap space and a good young goalie and see if they can overpay to get them to take Campbell. Like Vejmelka for Campbell + blue chip prospect + 1st + 3rd +....whatever else. Or pay out the nose for Askarov from Nashville while giving them a 1st and Broberg.

It's just not going to be pretty for them. Other option is a swap for an equally bad goalie on an equally bad contract. Maybe Cal Petersen?

I just don't know how many goalies have to tank after signing big time anchor contracts before GMs figure out you shouldn't do it. Guys like Campbell and Jarry should be making $3mil. Go look at the active list of goalies and their cap hits and performance. There's absurd money out there for mediocrity.
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I finally figured it out.
Jarry is to hockey what Tomlin is to football
 
DesertedPenguin said:
Eh, Hinostroza does this everywhere. Buffalo fans were here in the off-season saying we'll love Hinostroza early because of his speed and chances, but then his inability to actually score will wear thin and he'll work his way out of the lineup.
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That's kinda funny. Buffalo fans think that because they are enamored with their 'youth' who they play over guys in order to gain experience.

In BUF, Hino was 7th overall (more than 20 gms for his 2 years there) in G/60 (.69) and 8th in P/60 (1.88). His .69 G/60 was better than Peterka (.63), Krebs (.58), and Mitts (.58).

He would deserve the shot on L2 before anyone Bottom 6 w/ exception of Z.
 
SEALBound said:
I think Edmonton's best chance to find a team with cap space and a good young goalie and see if they can overpay to get them to take Campbell. Like Vejmelka for Campbell + blue chip prospect + 1st + 3rd +....whatever else. Or pay out the nose for Askarov from Nashville while giving them a 1st and Broberg.

It's just not going to be pretty for them. Other option is a swap for an equally bad goalie on an equally bad contract. Maybe Cal Petersen?

I just don't know how many goalies have to tank after signing big time anchor contracts before GMs figure out you shouldn't do it. Guys like Campbell and Jarry should be making $3mil. Go look at the active list of goalies and their cap hits and performance. There's absurd money out there for mediocrity.
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Yotes are in a playoff battle. Trading with them like that is over IMO.
 
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Sideline said:
Rakell has been mediocre, but I'm not sure there is a tone of depth on the farm if we have multiple forwards injured. We're dangerously close to top 6 winger Big Jeff Carter.
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They have Hinostroza, Nylander, Nylander and Pitlick who they'd play in a top-6 role before Carter.
 
Freeptop said:
I mean, we're talking about the Penguins here. Given how relatively injury-free this season has been so far, I put it at better than even odds that three more players will be eligible for LTIR before both Nedjelkovic and Ludvig are ready to be re-activated! :sarcasm:
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I'd just like to point out that when I posted the above, it was supposed to be a joke.

 
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WTF happened to Rakell!?

I was hoping Rust would be gone for a game or two and they could shift Rakell up to get him going. Damn...him being out complicates things.
 
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Hmm, this is interesting.

The Penguins have signed defenseman Dmitri Samorukov to a one-year contract.

The contract runs through the 2023.24 season and carries an average annual value of $775,000 at the NHL level.

He was on an AHL deal with WBS. Word is he's been pretty good to start the season. Wonder if he's going to get rewarded with a call-up.

 
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With both Joseph and Ruhwedel going on IR, there's a chance Samorukov will get called up to be the 7th defenseman in case of injury for a bit (I'm assuming Ludvig will get activated off of LTIR tomorrow).
 
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