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Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

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How soon before Letang is back on PP1:

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DesertedPenguin said:
Zohorna has more goals than Kapanen in fewer games and a harder overall role.

Vancouver is getting lucky. Their goals scored and goals compared to their expected goals is way out of whack. It's the opposite of the Pens - where the Pens should have way more goals than they've actually scored, Vancouver has scored more and prevented more than they should have.

And that's why it's ridiculous to give serious evaluation to teams and players this early.
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The thing about the Canucks though, is they did the same thing last year...3rd in GFAx (1st atm).
And what our team is doing is also the same as last year... 30th in GFAx.

I don't think they'll sustain tops in the league, but I don't doubt them ending up as a top-5 finishing team again. And I'll be very surprised if the Pens aren't in the bottom third as well.
 
AuroraBorealis said:
The thing about the Canucks though, is they did the same thing last year...3rd in GFAx (1st atm).
And what our team is doing is also the same as last year... 30th in GFAx.

I don't think they'll sustain tops in the league, but I don't doubt them ending up as a top-5 finishing team again. And I'll be very surprised if the Pens aren't in the bottom third as well.
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They may remain excellent finishers.

What is far more likely to be unsustainable is their goals against. They are under water in possession, expected goals, and high danger chances. They are walking a tightrope over a canyon and the wind is only going to pick up speed.
 
DesertedPenguin said:
They may remain excellent finishers.

What is far more likely to be unsustainable is their goals against. They are under water in possession, expected goals, and high danger chances. They are walking a tightrope over a canyon and the wind is only going to pick up speed.
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Oh yeah, defensively this isn't gonna last for sure. The focus will dip, and Demko's injury prone too.
Hughes is playing out of his mind atm.
 
DesertedPenguin said:
You know damn well Dubas made that choice and it was solely so he could play the waiver wire.

Sullivan has been nothing but positive about Zohorna since camp started.
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i mean i’d definitely like to know damn well that’s the case
 
Fordy said:
i mean i’d definitely like to know damn well that’s the case
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GMs are the ones who make the final calls on the roster. They're the ones who actually handle the paperwork to trade a player, sign a player, send a player to the minors, etc.

It all goes through their office.

A coach can whine and beg and plead all he wants for a certain player. The GM has to agree to it.

Mike Sullivan does not have the ability to acquire players. He can advise. That is all.
 
DesertedPenguin said:
GMs are the ones who make the final calls on the roster. They're the ones who actually handle the paperwork to trade a player, sign a player, send a player to the minors, etc.

It all goes through their office.

A coach can whine and beg and plead all he wants for a certain player. The GM has to agree to it.

Mike Sullivan does not have the ability to acquire players. He can advise. That is all.
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sure, that’s how it’s supposed to work. but sullivan has had the throne for 7 years and clearly is loved by management. they’re supposed to operate as a pair. there’s a balance of power going on. like are you suggesting sullivan actually really wanted zohorna on his third line and dubas said no i’m putting him on waivers? that just seems ridiculous, especially when you consider harkins is in the sullivan mold, i don’t see the need to assume he wasn’t also on board with the harkins experiment. minimal tryout be damned. this wasn’t sullivan’s first time encountering zohorna, i’m sure he agreed this waiver wire pickup was sooo much better
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
GMs are the ones who make the final calls on the roster. They're the ones who actually handle the paperwork to trade a player, sign a player, send a player to the minors, etc.

It all goes through their office.

A coach can whine and beg and plead all he wants for a certain player. The GM has to agree to it.

Mike Sullivan does not have the ability to acquire players. He can advise. That is all.
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HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA wow... Ok
 
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Fordy said:
sure, that’s how it’s supposed to work. but sullivan has had the throne for 7 years and clearly is loved by management. they’re supposed to operate as a pair. there’s a balance of power going on. like are you suggesting sullivan actually really wanted zohorna on his third line and dubas said no i’m putting him on waivers? that just seems ridiculous, especially when you consider harkins is in the sullivan mold, i don’t see the need to assume he wasn’t also on board with the harkins experiment. minimal tryout be damned. this wasn’t sullivan’s first time encountering zohorna, i’m sure he agreed this waiver wire pickup was sooo much better
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Go back to when Harkins was brought in. Sullivan mentioned multiple times how he wasn't as familiar but that Dubas and Co. liked what they saw. That gives every indication that it was a Dubas idea.

Ideally it's a partnership, but ultimately it's the GM's call on who is in the roster.

And again, no coach in the league has the actual ability to make roster moves. They may have full sway over a GM, who then simply files the paperwork. But that is it.

And I guarantee you Sullivan doesn't have full sway over Dubas. Full control is why Dubas took this job, because he didn't have it in Toronto and was fired for trying to get more control.
 
Oh man, it hurts my head this early to read the Sullivan defense justifications…



someone pointed out that the Carter scratch conveniently came right after he spoke with the media and was quoted talking about how few opportunities he gets…lol…was his scratching simply the Ian Cole treatment by Sullivan, as opposed to performance? Wouldn’t be surprised in the least…goodbye Jeff
 
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Andy99 said:
Oh man, it hurts my head this early to read the Sullivan defense justifications…



someone pointed out that the Carter scratch conveniently came right after he spoke with the media and was quoted talking about how few opportunities he gets…lol…was his scratching simply the Ian Cole treatment by Sullivan, as opposed to performance? Wouldn’t be surprised in the least…goodbye Jeff
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I have wondered if they scratched Carter if he would get pissy about it. Like "I'm not going to spend the last year of my career sitting in the press box". Maybe it's enough to demand a trade? Of course finding a partner would still be difficult, but at least waiving the NTC would be one hurdle cleared.
 
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Zbynek said:
Bertuzzi 2G+1A in 10 games. And half this place thought he could replace Guentzel :laugh:
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Well he can: he’s getting fewer minutes and benched because he flies the zone to try to force offense, something our first line including Jake do regularly lol
 
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It's pretty funny that Carter is actually being HSed and I don't even care. Been that kind of year. Band-Aid on a bullet wound. Honestly he hasn't even really been shitty just invisible. Acciari and Nieto have probably been worse.
 
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Zbynek said:
Jake plays badly and still produces PPG / 40 goal pace basically his whole career.

Bert isn't in his echelon, sorry.
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Jake has done absolutely nothing. Yay hes gotten some points, but hes done nothing to drive the play. He floats around thats it. Getting ice time with Sid, Geno, Karlsson, Letang and yeah you will get some points eventually.
 
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SomeDude said:
How much does Sully pay you to be his hype man?
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Sullivan has had very little to nothing to do with putting this team together the last six years because he has no input on any of that. No coaches do, you see. That's very obvious and very true. And he can't change the system because the players refuse to follow his instructions and won't do it. And he can't hold players accountable because the stars actually run the whole show. And he and multiple GMs are never on the same page but it's all their fault, not his. And he can't actually make any meaningful lineup changes because his players won't let him and they're actually in charge... not him... and somehow that's also not his fault.

...but he's an indispensable hockey genius and we'd be lost without him. He does so much for this team.
 
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BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Sullivan has had very little to nothing to do with putting this team together the last six years because he has no input on any of that. No coaches do, you see. That's very obvious and very true. And he can't change the system because the players refuse to follow his instructions and won't do it. And he can't hold players accountable because the stars actually run the whole show. And he and multiple GMs are never on the same page but it's all their fault, not his. And he can't actually make any meaningful lineup changes because his players won't let him and they're actually in charge... not him... and somehow that's also not his fault.

...but he's an indispensable hockey genius and we'd be lost without him. He does so much for this team.
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Exactly. Either it's Dubas' team and Sullivan has no input, no agency. Or Sullivan has agency, but it's not his fault, because it's Dubas' and the players'.
 
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