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Salary Cap: Pens '23-'24 Salary Cap Thread: "But if you don't get the President of the Pittsburgh Penguins on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you?"

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The rise of NMCs in every single contract is annoying but it makes sense. Players want some stability in their lives, and GMs are cap-strapped due to how low the salary cap has been. I think the solution to the NMC problem is to like, double the salary cap so that teams can spend fair market value on players and only the true marquee talents can get NMCs again.
 
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Headshot77 said:
The rise of NMCs in every single contract is annoying but it makes sense. Players want some stability in their lives, and GMs are cap-strapped due to how low the salary cap has been. I think the solution to the NMC problem is to like, double the salary cap so that teams can spend fair market value on players and only the true marquee talents can get NMCs again.
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I think the only way to kill NMCs is to limit them to only players your team drafted and no more than 2 on the roster at a time. GMs will always cave in to save cap money even if the cap were tripled.
 
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I hated the idea of trading Jake but I’m slowly coming around to it. If we could depth or someone not as one dimensional, no idea who that is, I would say got for it.

I just don’t know if you get that with 1 year on his contract. I definitely do not want to dump him for cap space or picks.
 
Jake to florida with 1 million retained for Sam Bennett and a second. At least to me that gives the first line a bigger LW with grit to help Sid. Move RR to that line and you have a bigger stronger line to help Sid. Hextall reall killed the Pens with his move with Carter being one of the worst. Granlund was the worst. Pens stuck with Carter and his cap hit just stays this year. He can be waived and save 100k. If sully doesn't sit him, I fire him.
 
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Jake to florida with 1 million retained for Sam Bennett and a second. At least to me that gives the first line a bigger LW with grit to help Sid. Move RR to that line and you have a bigger stronger line to help Sid. Hextall reall killed the Pens with his move with Carter being one of the worst. Granlund was the worst. Pens stuck with Carter and his cap hit just stays this year. He can be waived and save 100k. If sully doesn't sit him, I fire him.
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You want to trade a 2 time 40 goal scorer for Sam Bennett and a 2nd?
 
Yep. Sid is declining and that 40 goal scorer you speak of will not come close to that. Actually Florida says no but Jake is no longer the player he was without Sid being a super star center. Smart management moves players one year before the decline is known. Jake with 1 million retention may be attractive to a team. I picked Florida for the deal makes the move Ok money wise.
 
I think before you trade Guentzel, you have the following conversation:

Jake, you're a UFA. Do you want to continue your career here or not?

If not, we will trade you for assets.

If you do, we have two options:
1. Resign you early.
2. Trade you to a contender, you get the chance at the cup, we get the high level assets back, and we resign you in the off-season.

I don't think you can trade Guentzel without having a plan in place to replace him. And the plan can't be "sign Bertuzzi". It just can't be. As I suggested earlier, I wouldn't be shy about working a deal to take a middle 6 guy and a 1st for Jake, then resign Jake July 1st. In my post, I suggested Garland+1st for Jake+DOC

Next year:
Jake-Sid-Rust
Smith-Malkin-Rakell
XXXX-Eller-Garland
Neito-Accari-XXXX

Lots of interesting options there, especially with a tight cap. You can take back a $3mil winger and keep 50% of Jake. If we are out of the playoffs, I wouldn't hate trying to stick it to a local team that we wouldn't normally be dealing with like NYR, NYI, CAR, etc. NYR are never shy about spending. Wonder if you can snag Kakko+1st for Jake@50%. Or Goodrow+1st+ for Jake@50%.

Ottawa - Joseph+Pinto for Jake@50%+Smith
LA - Grundstorm+1st for Jake@50%

Just spitballin...
 
I dunno. I'd sooner change the coach than trade Jake. I think Jake could still be valuable with a new coaching staff in place.
 
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Pancakes said:
I dunno. I'd sooner change the coach than trade Jake. I think Jake could still be valuable with a new coaching staff in place.
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Ya nothing matters until Sully is gone. Tade Jake for Bennett and bennett becomes the thirdline forward between Nieto and Zohorna playing 80% in the D-Zone.

As proven over the last few years, changing the players does nothing.
 
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I dunno. I'd sooner change the coach than trade Jake. I think Jake could still be valuable with a new coaching staff in place.
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Guentzel is one of a few players on this team where I don't think his issues are relevant to Sullivan. Sullivan's bad systems aren't causing Guentzel to become basically a late era James Neal for the Penguins, a floating sniper who doesn't offer anything when he's not producing. I actually think Guentzel is one of the few players who does fit well in Sullivan's system.

Sullivan is killing this team because he refuses to change his offensive system that the team can't run and has been exposed by the league. But things like Guentzel being a lazy floater, O'Connor having the hockey IQ of a carrot or Jarry wilting under pressure? Sullivan isn't to blame for that.
 
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Honestly, Dubas is just going to probably shake things up (aka more deck chair rearranging) and trade Jake for Nylander.
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I pined for a home grown top line winger for years. So I’m not gonna **** on Jake. But if Dubas can get Nylander for him, that’s a no brainer.
 
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Guentzel is one of a few players on this team where I don't think his issues are relevant to Sullivan. Sullivan's bad systems aren't causing Guentzel to become basically a late era James Neal for the Penguins, a floating sniper who doesn't offer anything when he's not producing. I actually think Guentzel is one of the few players who does fit well in Sullivan's system.

Sullivan is killing this team because he refuses to change his offensive system that the team can't run and has been exposed by the league. But things like Guentzel being a lazy floater, O'Connor having the hockey IQ of a carrot or Jarry wilting under pressure? Sullivan isn't to blame for that.
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I'm just not thrilled with the idea of trading a goal scorer on a team that struggles mightily with finishing.

At this point I'd be open to anything because this team is a mess, but I just hope they'd be really careful if they did move Jake.
 
Looks like Pens are making some LTIR moves.

Unfortunately, Zohorna is getting caught in the middle of this again because he can be sent down without going through waivers

Appears Andonovski is being recalled, as he has a higher cap hit, and Ned is going on LTIR. The moves are designed to maximize cap space.

If Ludvig goes on LTIR they'll recall Zohorna. Might need another day or two to assess whether they can put him on LTIR.

 
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Looks like Pens are making some LTIR moves.

Unfortunately, Zohorna is getting caught in the middle of this again because he can be sent down without going through waivers

Appears Andonovski is being recalled, as he has a higher cap hit, and Ned is going on LTIR. The moves are designed to maximize cap space.

If Ludvig goes on LTIR they'll recall Zohorna. Might need another day or two to assess whether they can put him on LTIR.

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I hope they told him he will be back.

This isn't me just being a Zahorna fan but they guy instantly made that line better.
 
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Neds to LTIR? The heck happen to him? Ludvig I could understand but I didn't see anything happen to Neds. Could give us a look at Blomqvist though.
 
The Zohorna-Andovsky move is purely getting as close to the cap ceiling as possible for LTIR calculations. With Zohorna up, they're sitting with about $245k in cap space and putting Nedjelkovic on LTIR would bring their new upper limit to about $84.75 million. Sending Zohorna down and calling up Andovsky brings their cap space to $95k, and putting Nedjelkovic on LTIR at that point raises their upper limit to about $84.9 million. That small difference is the difference between being able to afford a 22 man roster vs a 23 man roster with Nedjelkovic on LTIR.
 
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