Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"

[BusinessGoose]

Jarry would need to do some sort of public outburst to get bought out one year into a five year contract.

 

[Maninthebox87]

Has there ever been a starting goalie for starting goalie trade in NHL history? Nothing is jumping out at me early 2000s to present. A situation where two teams just haven’t gotten it done and both agree for a change of scenery kind of trade.

 

[Empoleon8771]

lol..you know the team has real doubts about you when you show up on a list of possible buy out candidates…talking about Jarry…

Kings’ Pierre-Luc Dubois among nine buyout candidates in 2024 NHL offseason

The first buyout window opens 48 hours after the Stanley Cup Final ends.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Seravalli is an idiot if he thinks Jarry is even close to buyout territory.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Just what we need a guy who sucks without the puck, always hurt and a bigger lush then Rick Sanchez.

I don't trust anyone on a Sully team who doesn't drink.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It's absolutely moronic for Seravalli to even mention Jarry in the "buyout" conversation when not mentioning any of these guys who were clearly worse than Jarry last year and also make the same or more money with term:

-Gibson: .888 save% in 46 games last year, 3 years left at $6.4 million AAV
-Grubauer: .899 save% in 36 games last year, 3 years left at $5.9 million AAV
-Kuemper: .890 save% in 33 games last year, 3 years left at $5.25 million AAV

I'm not even saying this to defend Jarry because I want him gone, but I don't know what people are talking about when they lump him in this territory. Does he have his issues? Yes, absolutely obviously. But he finished last year with a .903 save%, -0.7 GSAA and +2.6 GSAx. How is that even close to "buyout territory"? Being painfully mediocre doesn't get you bought out unless you make an asinine amount of money, which Jarry clearly does not.

 

[SEALBound]

lol..you know the team has real doubts about you when you show up on a list of possible buy out candidates…talking about Jarry…

Kings’ Pierre-Luc Dubois among nine buyout candidates in 2024 NHL offseason

The first buyout window opens 48 hours after the Stanley Cup Final ends.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Kings aren't buying out PLD. I would be shocked if more than 2 guys from that list are bought out.

Jarry most certainly isn't being bought out. Goalie-wise, Petersen and Campbell I can see but I think both teams have additional solutions in place.

Historically how many 2nds does it take to get a 1st? 3? Would 2 2nds and a 3rd do it?

Not worth it honestly. After 10-15 in this draft, it levels off significantly. I'd rather have 2 2nds than a late 1st in this draft under the logic that 2 >1 given how close they will all be.

 

[SEALBound]

It's absolutely moronic for Seravalli to even mention Jarry in the "buyout" conversation when not mentioning any of these guys who were clearly worse than Jarry last year and also make the same or more money with term:

-Gibson: .888 save% in 46 games last year, 3 years left at $6.4 million AAV
-Grubauer: .899 save% in 36 games last year, 3 years left at $5.9 million AAV
-Kuemper: .890 save% in 33 games last year, 3 years left at $5.25 million AAV

I'm not even saying this to defend Jarry because I want him gone, but I don't know what people are talking about when they lump him in this territory. Does he have his issues? Yes, absolutely obviously. But he finished last year with a .903 save%, -0.7 GSAA and +2.6 GSAx. How is that even close to "buyout territory"? Being painfully mediocre doesn't get you bought out unless you make an asinine amount of money, which Jarry clearly does not.

I think it's an issue of perspective. There is a decline in goalie skill sets in the league, and I think it's due to a number of factors, one of which is how much better the forwards are getting. But if you look at the "what you are getting" vs. "what are you paying" ratio, there is a steady decline league-wide.

If your expectation is that your starter is a .920 sv% with a sub-2.0GAA, then I can see how someone would look at the current crop of goalies, see subpar performance and the associated contracts, and wonder if a buy out is possible. But that's a Seravalli issue, not a contract, team, or goalie issue. That's him not adjusting to current trends and not adjusting expectations to current reality.

 

[Sideline]

It's absolutely moronic for Seravalli to even mention Jarry in the "buyout" conversation when not mentioning any of these guys who were clearly worse than Jarry last year and also make the same or more money with term:

-Gibson: .888 save% in 46 games last year, 3 years left at $6.4 million AAV
-Grubauer: .899 save% in 36 games last year, 3 years left at $5.9 million AAV
-Kuemper: .890 save% in 33 games last year, 3 years left at $5.25 million AAV

I'm not even saying this to defend Jarry because I want him gone, but I don't know what people are talking about when they lump him in this territory. Does he have his issues? Yes, absolutely obviously. But he finished last year with a .903 save%, -0.7 GSAA and +2.6 GSAx. How is that even close to "buyout territory"? Being painfully mediocre doesn't get you bought out unless you make an asinine amount of money, which Jarry clearly does not.

Yup. Jarry isn't good, but people are completely out to lunch on what a really bad goalie looks like. When you look at the available UFAs you can't convince me there is a clear cut better option than him.

What's the genius plan, buyout Jarry and pray you get a good season or two out of 36 year old Cam Talbot? He got 2MM coming off a bad year in Ottawa. Why would he take anything less than 3MM AAV after a bounce back year when the UFA goalie market is so thin? So the Penguins net 0 cap relief at the position and best case scenario sign a 36 guy that was sub .900 save percentage two seasons ago.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Kings aren't buying out PLD. I would be shocked if more than 2 guys from that list are bought out.

Jarry most certainly isn't being bought out. Goalie-wise, Petersen and Campbell I can see but I think both teams have additional solutions in place.

Not worth it honestly. After 10-15 in this draft, it levels off significantly. I'd rather have 2 2nds than a late 1st in this draft under the logic that 2 >1 given how close they will all be.

The silver lining of giving the 1st to SJ this year is that the draft seems to be shaping up to be pretty mediocre. I guess we could win the lottery and still elect to keep it, but I'm pretty unimpressed with what the projected top 10s seem to be.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

The silver lining of giving the 1st to SJ this year is that the draft seems to be shaping up to be pretty mediocre. I guess we could win the lottery and still elect to keep it, but I'm pretty unimpressed with what the projected top 10s seem to be.

Lottery happened a month ago and they didn’t move up.

 

[Darren McCord]

It's absolutely moronic for Seravalli to even mention Jarry in the "buyout" conversation when not mentioning any of these guys who were clearly worse than Jarry last year and also make the same or more money with term:

-Gibson: .888 save% in 46 games last year, 3 years left at $6.4 million AAV
-Grubauer: .899 save% in 36 games last year, 3 years left at $5.9 million AAV
-Kuemper: .890 save% in 33 games last year, 3 years left at $5.25 million AAV

I'm not even saying this to defend Jarry because I want him gone, but I don't know what people are talking about when they lump him in this territory. Does he have his issues? Yes, absolutely obviously. But he finished last year with a .903 save%, -0.7 GSAA and +2.6 GSAx. How is that even close to "buyout territory"? Being painfully mediocre doesn't get you bought out unless you make an asinine amount of money, which Jarry clearly does not.

Seravalli is a pud from Philly whocried because Crosby was a day late to the All star game.

He is trash and his penguins takes are laughable.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Jarry would get the spotlight off him if we could SCORE more goals and have a functional powerplay

But since one end of the team isn't working, we start looking at the other end for a solution

We're 18th in the league in goals for

And like 13th best in goals allowed, which is pretty good

But if we scored more....we would be in the playoffs

 

[Gurglesons]

It's absolutely moronic for Seravalli to even mention Jarry in the "buyout" conversation when not mentioning any of these guys who were clearly worse than Jarry last year and also make the same or more money with term:

-Gibson: .888 save% in 46 games last year, 3 years left at $6.4 million AAV
-Grubauer: .899 save% in 36 games last year, 3 years left at $5.9 million AAV
-Kuemper: .890 save% in 33 games last year, 3 years left at $5.25 million AAV

I'm not even saying this to defend Jarry because I want him gone, but I don't know what people are talking about when they lump him in this territory. Does he have his issues? Yes, absolutely obviously. But he finished last year with a .903 save%, -0.7 GSAA and +2.6 GSAx. How is that even close to "buyout territory"? Being painfully mediocre doesn't get you bought out unless you make an asinine amount of money, which Jarry clearly does not.

None of those teams are really trying to "contend" to the point they need cap.

I doubt Jarry is bought out though.

 

[Empoleon8771]

None of those teams are really trying to "contend" to the point they need cap.

I doubt Jarry is bought out though.

Didn't you say like 2 days ago that the Penguins aren't trying to contend anymore based on Dubas not wanting to give out any long-term deals?

 

[Gurglesons]

Didn't you say like 2 days ago that the Penguins aren't trying to contend anymore based on Dubas not wanting to give out any long-term deals?

I don't think Dubas is trying to contend. Just saying where Seravalli maybe is coming from.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't think Dubas is trying to contend. Just saying where Seravalli maybe is coming from.

Issue there is that he also mentions Merzlikins as a buyout candidate, and I'm not sure the Jackets are in much different of a spot than the Ducks or Kraken at this point.

 

[Andy99]

Jarry would need to do some sort of public outburst to get bought out one year into a five year contract.

Honestly, I think something happened during that game in Dallas, his last...he was giving dagger stares to his teammates. I think the skaters are unhappy with him and Sullivan too..they don't want him back...whether anything can be done about that remains to be seen

 

[Gurglesons]

Issue there is that he also mentions Merzlikins as a buyout candidate, and I'm not sure the Jackets are in much different of a spot than the Ducks or Kraken at this point.

I disagree. Jackets are probably about 2 years ahead of where the Ducks are in terms of needing to be competitive.

I think the Ducks are just delusional with Gibson and what he should get value wise which is why he hasn't been traded yet.

 

[Andy99]

It's absolutely moronic for Seravalli to even mention Jarry in the "buyout" conversation when not mentioning any of these guys who were clearly worse than Jarry last year and also make the same or more money with term:

-Gibson: .888 save% in 46 games last year, 3 years left at $6.4 million AAV
-Grubauer: .899 save% in 36 games last year, 3 years left at $5.9 million AAV
-Kuemper: .890 save% in 33 games last year, 3 years left at $5.25 million AAV

I'm not even saying this to defend Jarry because I want him gone, but I don't know what people are talking about when they lump him in this territory. Does he have his issues? Yes, absolutely obviously. But he finished last year with a .903 save%, -0.7 GSAA and +2.6 GSAx. How is that even close to "buyout territory"? Being painfully mediocre doesn't get you bought out unless you make an asinine amount of money, which Jarry clearly does not.

The issue is Sid et al and Sullivan don't want Jarry here anymore

 

[KrisLetAngry]

On this Laine talk a friendly reminder we are trying to limit how many assets we trade out.

Laine with little to no retention is worth not a lot. He's exactly who we should roll the dice on.

2 years 8.7 left. I imagine the 10 team ntc he has would not have Pittsburgh on it.

Accairi for Laine. We get a 2 million dollar hit to become a 1 million dollar hit I'm the bottom 6 and now do we do not need to overpay in years for a player in the top 6. Kinda matches the competitive time line goal we have.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The issue is Sid et al and Sullivan don't want Jarry here anymore

Even if we were pretending that was true (how do we know that Sid doesn't want Jarry back?), that means you trade him, not buy him out.

At least 10 teams have worse starting goalies than Jarry today.

 

[Andy99]

Even if we were pretending that was true (how do we know that Sid doesn't want Jarry back?), that means you trade him, not buy him out.

At least 10 teams have worse starting goalies than Jarry today.

Good, then they should have no problem trading him, but I disagree: I don't think they'll be able to move him with 4 years left on his contract, unless they take back another terrible goalie like Campbell or Korpisalo...obviously I'm not in Sid's brain lol but the way things transpired at the end of the season shows that the players and coach lost confidence in him, and his last appearance had him essentially blaming the players in front of him, when you start shooting nasty looks at Malkin and others when you give up a goal...teammates do not like that lol

 

[HandshakeLine]

Lottery happened a month ago and they didn’t move up.

I'm mr. current events it appears.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

lol..you know the team has real doubts about you when you show up on a list of possible buy out candidates…talking about Jarry…

Kings’ Pierre-Luc Dubois among nine buyout candidates in 2024 NHL offseason

The first buyout window opens 48 hours after the Stanley Cup Final ends.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Jarry is not a buyout candidate at all. Just stretching to add some extra names.

 

[SEALBound]

The silver lining of giving the 1st to SJ this year is that the draft seems to be shaping up to be pretty mediocre. I guess we could win the lottery and still elect to keep it, but I'm pretty unimpressed with what the projected top 10s seem to be.

I think 1-12 roughly gets you a solid NHL roster player. After that, its a much of meh. So yeah, if there was a draft to give it up, we are lucky it's this one.