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I wish Hronek was a LD would a be guy I'd be interested in overpaying money wise for.

Trade for him and sign to a 1 year deal and then sign to his long term 8 year deal In January.
 
BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Well yeah because if that's true then he's just an idiot instead of a pushover.
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Damn near every one of 'em are idiots. Some just happen to get lucky now and again--like this team, when they happened to get Sid and Geno. Those two made a whole shitload of money for some really dumb people, and really mediocre players throughout the years. :laugh:
 
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BlindWillyMcHurt said:
I want to be more excited about Ludvig and St Ivany but it's hard not to watch them play then look at Graves and realize they are both better than he is at less than 1/5 the price. Ooof.
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I think that's more of an indictment on Graves than anything. Imo Ludvig and St Ivany are mediocre at best right now. Maybe there's room for growth there given their age. But they aren't very good.

Graves is flat out bad though and costs way more, so Ludvig/St Ivany being mediocre is an improvement, sad as that sounds.
 
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Pancakes said:
I think that's more of an indictment on Graves than anything. Imo Ludvig and St Ivany are mediocre at best right now. Maybe there's room for growth there given their age. But they aren't very good.

Graves is flat out bad though and costs way more, so Ludvig/St Ivany being mediocre is an improvement, sad as that sounds.
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Right exactly. I'm not at all mad about St Ivany or Ludvig... they are fine... serviceable D for very little time/capital/assets spent. Found money and all that. But like you said they are probably just... serviceable. And to pay Graves the money and term he is getting to be noticeably worse than that is just depressing lol

Big Friggin Dummy said:
Damn near every one of 'em are idiots. Some just happen to get lucky now and again--like this team, when they happened to get Sid and Geno. Those two made a whole shitload of money for some really dumb people, and really mediocre players throughout the years. :laugh:
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And yet fans continue and will continue to appeal to authority like these people are gods instead of largely former athletes with brain injuries and lots of built-in (moronic) biases.

GilbertSeinfeld said:
You aren't excited for the rookie camp "pick the best seat in the press box" exercise?
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Training camp for this team is just another injury risk and an excuse to TALK about how guys are going to "compete for jobs" so that the coach and FO can sound all serious and like they know what they're doing or something.
 
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I think St. Ivany was way better than Ludvig. /shrug

I think Ludvig's kinda straight up dogshit tbh. :laugh: But at least he'll hit and drop the gloves if need be, and is cheap. Graves was bad *and* expensive.
 
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I hope they can get Shea signed. He's another I think could be a valuable depth guy for us in that same 5/6/7 role.

If you can also incorporate one or two of Yager, Ponomarov, Koivunen, Broz, Poulin, etc in addition to a couple young dmen, that fronts you the opportunity to make a big splash for a big FA or trade acquisition. If you put Pono as the 3C and jettison Acciari and Nieto, you can easily fit Marner in without retention for example. I think banking on some of these young guys to make an impact is the way to go. Kinda like burning the ships once you hit the shoreline.
 
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You could pretty much remove like 10 guys on this roster and I wouldn't even blink, let alone think it'd dramatically impact this team in a negative way. :laugh: Rakell, Smith, Rust, Graves, Petts, POJ, Shea, Ludvig, Jarry, etc. Shit, Letang sucks just as often or more than he's good anymore. /shrug

Can't wait to be back here a year from now talking about the same bullshit we've been talking about for half a decade. :laugh: Love this dysfunctional, idiotic, arrogant team.
 
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Big Friggin Dummy said:
You could pretty much remove like 10 guys on this roster and I wouldn't even blink, let alone think it'd dramatically impact this team in a negative way. Rakell, Smith, Rust, Graves, Petts, POJ, Shea, Ludvig, Jarry, etc. Shit, Letang sucks just as often or more than he's good anymore. /shrug:laugh:

Can't wait to be back here a year from now talking about the same bullshit we've been talking about for half a decade. Love this dysfunctional, idiotic, arrogant team.:laugh:
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How you could POSSIBLY include Pettersson and Rust on this list is completely beyond me. Pettersson is this team's ONLY good defender, and he's a damn good one. Every single team in the NHL would be very happy to have him. Rust is a consistent 20-30g, 50-60p guy. Not setting the world on fire but a valuable piece on the team to be sure.
 
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Like, Rust and Bunting are fine third wheel guys, but neither is moving the needle for a team in this spot. Rakell's a whatever 3rd liner who had an anomalous 60pt season. Smith's a whatever 3rd liner who seems to have a shit attitude. I'm still not convinced DOC is anything, and he's pretty markedly above guys like Puustinen and Puljujarvi.

Just a whole lotta mediocre bleh around two aging centers. And I kind of expect Sid to take a notable step back next season. I think he's a top-5 player all time, but at some point, time's gotta catch up. /shrug

That doesn't even touch on the Sullivan issue, which has wide-reaching effects and just kinda makes discussing potential moves more or less a moot point. Even if this team happened to get JT Miller back in the Hextall era, does anyone think Sullivan's coaching wouldn't misuse the guy as some lockdown 3C or take away any sorta snarl he has on the ice? :laugh:
BobCole said:
How you could POSSIBLY include Pettersson and Rust on this list is completely beyond me. Pettersson is this team's ONLY good defender, and he's a damn good one. Every single team in the NHL would be very happy to have him. Rust is a consistent 20-30g, 50-60p guy. Not setting the world on fire but a valuable piece on the team to be sure.
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Petts and Rust are fine, but Petts wasn't anything special last season and going back the past handful of years is bad just as often as he's good. Rust is 32, largely a product of Sullivan's usage of him, and prone to injury. You think either of these guys are make-or-break pieces? Agree to disagree I guess. /shrug
 
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BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Most of what makes Rust kind of irritating to me isn't even actually his fault.
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Yep. This team's got a way of making it easy to resent players for nothing of their own doing. :laugh: Like, people took a month to go from "EK is so much better than Letang, we were idiots to equate the two" to hating the guy's guts because of this coach. :laugh: Or the fact that they simply refuse to commit to anything and are petrified into inaction because they couldn't fathom making Sid even a little bit annoyed.

I don't dislike Rust. I think he's fine. I also think he's well on the wrong side of 30 anymore, injury prone, and kind of a product of his usage (permanently attached to Sid or Geno, top PP time). I don't think he's some special player just because he made a miraculous leap from 4th line nobody to scoring line third wheel. /shrug
 
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Pancakes said:
I think that's more of an indictment on Graves than anything. Imo Ludvig and St Ivany are mediocre at best right now. Maybe there's room for growth there given their age. But they aren't very good.

Graves is flat out bad though and costs way more, so Ludvig/St Ivany being mediocre is an improvement, sad as that sounds.
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personally i thought st ivany was solid for us, he's only 24 and think he can easily grow into a top 4 option for us. graves, even if he's 2x better next season. two times zero still equals zero. It was pretty rare to see graves even be neutral, he was mostly in the category of actively hurting us when he was on the ice. How he goes from that to productive, good for the contract signed, top 4 guy I do not know. Just seems like quite a leap to go from what he gave us and what we thought we were getting.
 
Big Friggin Dummy said:
... I'm still not convinced DOC is anything, and he's pretty markedly above guys like Puustinen and Puljujarvi.
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i would disagree there, DoC was noticeable on darn near every shift. It was a lot more then just what showed up on the score sheet, we need more people like him on the team imo.
meaning, young, fast, has some skills, but most importantly DOC would skate through a wall for this team. Also keep in mind he's getting 900K and he was NOT out of place on the top line, and in fact was a positive contributor when it mattered. Give me more of that.
 
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