Going to be interesting to see if a team like the Blackhawks make a play for a Reinhart or a Guentzel. Reichel hasn't come into his own yet, Hall's coming off an ACL and Foligno is way on the wrong side of 30. Hawks should be major ufa players to expedite Bedard's development.
Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"
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I don't know why though. I've been to SLC several times and I always have a decent time. I get the "Mormon-ville USA" schtick but that's never really been my experience there. If you go to places like Provo or Rexburg, yeah you might find that but SLC is metro enough where that's not an issue. When you're playing 82 games a season and half of it is on the road, I don't see living there as a big issue in my mind. Sure, go wherever you want in the off-season. But I can't imagine it's any worse than the likes of Detroit, Chicago, Buffalo, Winnipeg, etc. Full disclosure - I've been to Detroit several times and lived north of Chicago for a bit and visited countless times. No f***ing thank you to either. Never been to Winnipeg, only been to Buffalo for work.
I think they'll take a top 3 prospect then look to start developing and molding. It's gonna take time.
That said, keeping it on the Utah subject, I do think they are primed to go scorched earth if they really wanted to. I think they have 3-4 players they could a 1st for right now. More if they wanted to take on other contracts. They have an absolute gluttony of picks in the next three drafts, good young talent, and a plethora of cap space. If you look at Geekie and Cooley as the new faces, now is the time to get in a new crop. Just like Toronto parting ways with Kessel in 2015.
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From Yohe:
Absolutely no way you can bring Smith back next year if this is the case.
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Smith will be terrific next year so long as you keep him away from the sucking void of awful that is Malkin and let him skate next to superstar Lars Eller instead.
But no really I wouldn't be surprised if this dingdong team brings him back as some kind of "L3 play driver" next season instead of (correctly) doing everything they can to trade his goldbrickin' ass.
But no really I wouldn't be surprised if this dingdong team brings him back as some kind of "L3 play driver" next season instead of (correctly) doing everything they can to trade his goldbrickin' ass.
[I think they'll take a top 3 prospect then look to start developing and molding. It's gonna take time.]
They need a lot more than 1 forward.
They need a lot more than 1 forward.
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A. I bet the fan base is meh and much worse than all those cites.
B. The next closest city is far
C. No History
D. Families often live where players home arena is. I doubt any family wants to move there.
Also simply just not wanting to be forced to move is enough for players to be upset.
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Considering how much of a suck up Yohe is, I'm going to take anything he reports with a grain of salt.
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Even if it's not the case, I'd rather not ever see Smith play in a Penguins jersey again. 
f*** that dude.
f*** that dude.
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Yohe isn't reliable but the theory makes sense with how uninspired Smith looked last year.
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To the shock of no one. That's fine though, I think it's best if both parties go there separate ways. No hard feelings. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Dubas after the TDL talked about value being low and that once the new caproll takes over, it would open up more possibilities. I imagine this will be a "best for both parties" move. Can't see him coming back.
The Jazz have a good following as does the MLS team. I think they got like 6000 deposits for season tickets right away so I wouldn't assume a poor fanbase. I don't think the owner would have moved them there if he didn';t think people wouldn't come and watch.
B. Indeed but the same can be said about Denver and Winnipeg and even Calgary and Edmonton.
C. So?
D. True. But who knows how well they will or will not like it. I imagine some will still be bitter about the Mullet arena and that bitterness will transfer over to SLC but there's not much they can do to control it.
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I believe he didn’t want to get traded but the Yohe quote doesn’t directly say he was a problem in the room from any sources either. He’s completely speculating about the attitude based on his own interactions with Smith. That’s not real reporting.
I’m not saying it can’t be true but “It’s obvious once you’re around him” also confirms nothing.
honestly think guys like Yohe and Rossi get mad if people don’t give them a soliloquy about how the Burgh is the greatest town ever and Crosby has the biggest privates of all time the moment they arrive in Pittsburgh. So I’m definitely in your boat of taking it with a grain of salt.
Would still love to move him.
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I'd be trying to trade Smith for a #4 DFD like McNabb and then replace Smith in UFA with someone like Warren Foegele. Oilers fans are thinking he'll fall in the $3-$4 million range on a deal, so I would be comfortable with a 4 year, $3.5 million AAV to be the 3rd line LW.
Watching Georgiev get dunked on made me wonder if the Avs would do Georgiev and Miles Wood for Jarry plus or minus some late picks on either side.
Pair that up with moving out Smith and I think that improves the forward mix. I don't watch enough west coast hockey to know if Georgiev is a lot better than I think so maybe this is crazy.
Pair that up with moving out Smith and I think that improves the forward mix. I don't watch enough west coast hockey to know if Georgiev is a lot better than I think so maybe this is crazy.
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Poulin - Pomonarev - Puustinen 3rd line. Replace one of those guys if you so choose with a UFA or trade, either directly or by someone like DOC or or Rakell being bumped down.
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I'm sure part of it comes down to the personality/playing style of the player but it is hard to look at Smith on the ice and Bunting on the ice and conclude they care the same amount.
I'm sure part of that in Bunting's case was him coming here with something to prove whereas Smith had just won a cup and didn't seem hungry for another.
I don't expect Smith to charge into the corners like DOC or Bunting but man there were so many games where he lost a lot of battles he should have won, and he didn't bring nearly enough offensively to make up for that.
I would say much of the same applies to Rakell. I actually think Rakell cares but he's gotta show it on the ice more than he did. Too passive a player.
I'm sure part of that in Bunting's case was him coming here with something to prove whereas Smith had just won a cup and didn't seem hungry for another.
I don't expect Smith to charge into the corners like DOC or Bunting but man there were so many games where he lost a lot of battles he should have won, and he didn't bring nearly enough offensively to make up for that.
I would say much of the same applies to Rakell. I actually think Rakell cares but he's gotta show it on the ice more than he did. Too passive a player.
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I really hope the conversation has been had with him that his glaring weaknesses are his puckhandling, passing, and edges/agility, and he needs to spend all summer on those things.
I believe he's the style and type to pair with a Rust and Sid. But he's way too far inconsistent production wise to be a permanent fixture on the line.
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I'm actually curious for what they plan on doing with Puustinen. I think a 3rd line winger duo of O'Connor-Puustinen is decent, but I don't know that I'd call it anything more than "decent". I think you'd need a real top of the line 3C like Henrique or Stephenson between those two if you want the 3rd line to be anything "good", and I'm not sure you can convince them to take a 3C role on a declining Pittsburgh team over a 2C role on a different team.
O'Connor-Henrique-Puustinen does look like a damn good 3rd line if they could pull it off, though.
O'Connor-Henrique-Puustinen does look like a damn good 3rd line if they could pull it off, though.
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Georgiev has not passed the eye test his entire career. The only draw for him is he has 1-yr left on his contract. A hypothetical of him backing up Ned we can kiss any slim chance of the PO's goodbye. Ned can't play 60 games.
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I thought the idea is to get younger?! Why are we talking about a guy like Henrique?
Empoleon8771
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Yeah Henrique is a guy I think the Pens should seriously consider targeting.
Wennberg and Roslovic are also guys that intrigue me, though I think Sully would haste Roslovic.
Stephenson would be great too but I suspect Vegas re-signs him and even if they don't he seems like a guy who teams would be bidding a lot for.
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Which is why I liked your suggestion of Wennberg.
I suggest sending Graves to Utah for Kerfoot using a similar premise of "we need a better offensive minded 3C if we want to use DOC and Puustinen as the third line wings". I think DOC-Eller-Puustinen is a waste. It's not an offensive line and it's not a great defensive line. It's a no-man's land line. Fine if there are injuries but no something I would want to end the season with.
I'd also like to know more about Ponomarov in the 3C capacity. Carolina fans indicate that he beat out Jack Drury in camp for the spot but then got hurt. If you can swing to a DOC-Pono-Puusty/Yager/etc third line, it leaves open the option to run a heavy defensive 4th line centered by Eller. As is, Nieto-Eller-Acciari would be an ideal 4th line. The offensive expectations would be incredibly low and you can lean on them pretty heavy as a pivot line. That should honestly be the goal of the 4th line - make it a solid pivot "put out at any time" line.
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